Nick Bosa, EDGE, Ohio St(The Politics Free Thread)

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Posted earlier, but that doesn't really make sense. If the choice is between QW or Bosa, how does trading Solly change things either way? If anything it would indicate QW, because Solly is really a purely interior player when utilized correctly.

Solly plays Leo in base and snickel; Bosa would take all of those snaps.

But he's been much more effective inside. They never should have drafted him in the first place if they wanted to play him at Leo.

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:
Boss -2.5 was -500 now -700. Murray from -400 to -334. Still not time to panic but there's money coming in either on Bosa 1st overall or money against Murray or both.

https://www.oddsshark.com/nfl/odds-which-player-will-be-picked-first-overall-nfl-draft

Kyler Murray -375
Nick Bosa +375
Quinnen Williams +450
Josh Allen +5000

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by genus49:
I think selling Thomas now is a really dumb move. I hope we don't do it unless we take QW.

It depends on what we could get. Thomas seems too soft to be an NFL DL. Classic Stanford guy.

I would like to keep ST at least for 1 more year, but regardless of who we get, that player (bosa or williams) is going to eat into AA and ST's snaps. Thats probably why they're trying to trade him now before the draft even starts. It makes sense, but I hope they don't do it. ST on the trade block though indicates nothing about who they favor between Bosa and QW.

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by GoldenJoe:

Boss -2.5 was -500 now -700. Murray from -400 to -334. Still not time to panic but there's money coming in either on Bosa 1st overall or money against Murray or both.

Vegas knows nothing, so theres no reason to panic about anything they do.

I agree that this is close to impossible to cap even for Vegas but I trust them more than any talking head. They don't build those casinos because they're losing money.

So you're saying that the Cards and 49ers told Vegas who they will be picking? Unless theres some insider trading style leaking going on, Vegas has no clue. There job is just to set the line to get money from both sides, not to predict an outcome.

If Vegas truly knew, theyd be pumping up the wrong guy hardcore to scam people.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by genus49:

I think selling Thomas now is a really dumb move. I hope we don't do it unless we take QW.

It depends on what we could get. Thomas seems too soft to be an NFL DL. Classic Stanford guy.

Like John Lynch? Wouldn't shock me at all for us to trade him then see him turn into a pro bowler. Shame...

NO TO BO!!!!

Originally posted by Niners99:
So you're saying that the Cards and 49ers told Vegas who they will be picking? Unless theres some insider trading style leaking going on, Vegas has no clue. There job is just to set the line to get money from both sides, not to predict an outcome.

If Vegas truly knew, theyd be pumping up the wrong guy hardcore to scam people.

Cowherd talked about this and said they look at mock drafts and all the same s**t we do

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Hearing Solomon Thomas is on the block. 49ers wouldn't do this if they didn't think they're getting Nick Bosa at 2 overall.

— Matt Miller (@nfldraftscout) April 25, 2019

Posted earlier, but that doesn't really make sense. If the choice is between QW or Bosa, how does trading Solly change things either way? If anything it would indicate QW, because Solly is really a purely interior player when utilized correctly.

Agreed. QW / Buckner / Thomas can't really coexist (if you agree that the three of them play best as interior DL), but Buckner / Thomas / Bosa could.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by genus49:

I think selling Thomas now is a really dumb move. I hope we don't do it unless we take QW.

It depends on what we could get. Thomas seems too soft to be an NFL DL. Classic Stanford guy.

Like John Lynch? Wouldn't shock me at all for us to trade him then see him turn into a pro bowler. Shame...

Lynch isnt a DL. I didn't say everyone from Stanford was soft. Just the guys we tend to draft. I bet Thomas, Garnett, and Kwame Harris have book club meetings.

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Posted earlier, but that doesn't really make sense. If the choice is between QW or Bosa, how does trading Solly change things either way? If anything it would indicate QW, because Solly is really a purely interior player when utilized correctly.

Solly plays Leo in base and snickel; Bosa would take all of those snaps.

But he's been much more effective inside. They never should have drafted him in the first place if they wanted to play him at Leo.

We all agree here! It's the enigma of this regime and makes me think they are actually dumb as s**t. Especially with defense. And as you saw in the super bowl. A coach who knows defense often wins the championship. This entire Thomas saga is such a head scratcher. Plus he's such an awesome kid I hope he kicks ass.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Niners99:

So you're saying that the Cards and 49ers told Vegas who they will be picking? Unless theres some insider trading style leaking going on, Vegas has no clue. There job is just to set the line to get money from both sides, not to predict an outcome.

If Vegas truly knew, theyd be pumping up the wrong guy hardcore to scam people.

Cowherd talked about this and said they look at mock drafts and all the same s**t we do

And most mocks are based on other mocks. The Murray to the Cards thing only needed a little spark and then it self-propagated throughout the media/forums/etc. until it became the dominate narrative despite having very little actual basis.

Bosa said in an interview making his case to go #1 saying the cards already have a qb and with him they can have one of the best dlines. If they pass on him he'll be sacking Murray

Originally posted by Niners99:
So you're saying that the Cards and 49ers told Vegas who they will be picking? Unless theres some insider trading style leaking going on, Vegas has no clue. There job is just to set the line to get money from both sides, not to predict an outcome.

If Vegas truly knew, theyd be pumping up the wrong guy hardcore to scam people.

Totally agree.

The most common misconception about Vegas odds is that shifting lines means that it's correlated to a shift in Vegas' confidence ("oh look, Murray's line is dropped, they must have caught wind of Arizona going another direction"). That's often not true! They shift odds to try to entice people to bet.

Let's say you think Bosa might go #1, but you're on the fence. Murray is the huge favorite. Now you see Murray's line dropping, and Bosa's is going up. You might now have more confidence to place that bet. Sure, the payout is lower, but you take the increased odds as reassurance that it's going to happen.

TRADE the pick to the Giants !!!

7) Devin White or Dillard then take Sweat w/the other 1st round

Originally posted by KittleSkittle:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Niners99:

So you're saying that the Cards and 49ers told Vegas who they will be picking? Unless theres some insider trading style leaking going on, Vegas has no clue. There job is just to set the line to get money from both sides, not to predict an outcome.

If Vegas truly knew, theyd be pumping up the wrong guy hardcore to scam people.

Cowherd talked about this and said they look at mock drafts and all the same s**t we do

And most mocks are based on other mocks. The Murray to the Cards thing only needed a little spark and then it self-propagated throughout the media/forums/etc. until it became the dominate narrative despite having very little actual basis.

Read PFT on Murray it makes sense. He's going to AZ. Way to much smoke not to be a fire.

I recall last year right before the draft McGlinchey was the name and it happened. I think AZ is trying everything and anything to get any leverage for any situation etc. that's just part of the business.

Unlike 2 years ago when I felt Thomas was redundant and very blah pick at least this year getting Bosa or QW is exciting and improves the team imo.