Rashan Gary, EDGE, Michigan

Not at all what the 49ers need. Im sure he will be a good pro, but he's more Solomon than Ware, and we need that true leo, of which Gary is not imo.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

"Walter Camp Football's way-too-early mock draft has Gary going No. 5. CBSSports.com has him at No. 12, while NFL Draft Blaster has Gary going No. 1. Another season at Michigan isn't going to raise his value much higher."

"Watch, enjoy, savor every moment Rashan Gary is playing for Michigan"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.landof10.com/michigan/michigan-football-nfl-draft-2019-rashan-gary-declare-early/amp

It's going to be a helleva year for that top ranked defense.

Until they lose to OSU again anyway.

Originally posted by WINiner:

Not at all what the 49ers need. Im sure he will be a good pro, but he's more Solomon than Ware, and we need that true leo, of which Gary is not imo.

Biggest concern:

"Doesn't have ideal size for an NFL defensive tackle at only 273 pounds
Only one season of top pass-rushing production
Can get overpowered by double teams and moved off the LOS, particularly on the front side of "power" plays
May not have a true position.
Most of his snaps came inside so he lacks reps outside the tackle where he is most likely to play on base downs."

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-pff-scouting-report-solomon-thomas-de-stanford


I'm sorry but he doesn't compare to Solomon Thomas at all...

Gary is 6'5 280-290 that moves like 200lbs and doesn't get pushed on the line, plays inside and out on the end position where he is most comfortable..

You're comparisons are completely off. We are talking about a special blend of player here. Again no disrespect to Solomon but no where near the same caliber of player. lol

"When you watch Gary's tape, taking stock of his developed skills and athletic possibilities, you see he's the rare athlete who's not a tweener. He's not trapped between college positions without a firm command of the skills needed to excel in either. He is instead legitimately versatile enough to project as a dominant player in many roles."

Solomon Thomas 6'2 256lbs

Rashan Gary 6'5 280lbs-290lbs that moves like 200lbs..

Solomon Thomas is nothing like Rashan Gary in comparison. You have to re-evaluate the two if you're going to be comparing them...

He is actually the opposite of Solomon Thomas, his weaknesses are Rashan Gary's strength... no where near the prospect and or the size..

Maybe speed but you will never hear Rashan Gary having trouble shedding blocks like you do with Solomon Thomas..

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Until they lose to OSU again anyway.

We have a Qb this year and the recruits are coming in and starting to pump out. Harbaugh is creating a powerhouse, in a year or two we should be in the playoffs and competing for a title if not this year...

"Woodson: Patterson brings 'playmaking' to Michigan"
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.detroitnews.com/amp/35160403

That other school might not win this year... The tables are turning

"Plays in and out and is exactly what the nfl is looking for"

per Todd Mcshay, his #1 as well as many others who have seen this athletic freak.

6'5 280lbs who moves like 200lbs.. I'm not lying, I have been saying it for a while.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2017/4/11/15162716/solomon-thomas-scouting-report-breakdown-2017-nfl-draft

"Solomon Thomas is the 2017 NFL draft's most frustrating prospect
Retired NFL defensive end Stephen White takes a closer look at the Stanford pass rusher and sees a player who isn't living up to his potential."
By Stephen White on April 11, 2017 12:50 pm

Since comparisons have been made, I'm going to point out what you will never hear from Rashan Gary with this article.

Effort? Rashan Gary is machine like in effortlessly throwing linemen.

Size? 6'5 281lbs with feet of a 200 pounder

Tackling? He swallows you up. Ask Sequon Barkley..

Rashan Gary has the hunger and determination and doesn't whiff and if he does, he is making the tackle..

This is a different breed.. Unlike Thomas who well under performs and doesn't have the

size, effort, determination, hunger and power to be a Rashan Gary. He is the exact opposite of a Solomon Thomas...

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/2017/4/11/15162716/solomon-thomas-scouting-report-breakdown-2017-nfl-draft

"Solomon Thomas is the 2017 NFL draft's most frustrating prospect
Retired NFL defensive end Stephen White takes a closer look at the Stanford pass rusher and sees a player who isn't living up to his potential."
By Stephen White on April 11, 2017 12:50 pm

Since comparisons have been made, I'm going to point out what you will never hear from Rashan Gary with this article.

Effort? Rashan Gary is machine like in effortlessly throwing linemen.

Size? 6'5 281lbs with feet of a 200 pounder

Tackling? He swallows you up. Ask Sequon Barkley..

Rashan Gary has the hunger and determination and doesn't whiff and if he does, he is making the tackle..

This is a different breed.. Unlike Thomas who well under performs and doesn't have the

size, effort, determination, hunger and power to be a Rashan Gary. He is the exact opposite of a Solomon Thomas...

LOL I've never read anything meaningful that says Thomas lacks in effort. That article is full of trash and is basically the only crap out there that ever stated lack of effort regarding Thomas...that article has been poo pooped in here since last yr. Gotta find something better than that to try and prove your point on Thomas.

Thomas doesn't move around well? yeah that's silly talk. I get it you're a Michigan man and will always have some bias towards a wolverine player. Dude is good no doubt about it...hopefully we don't have a top 10 pick because that's what he is.

I'm sorry you're completely wrong about Thomas and trying to puff up your dude. shame on you Their both very good players end of story.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

LOL I've never read anything meaningful that says Thomas lacks in effort. That article is full of trash and is basically the only crap out there that ever stated lack of effort regarding Thomas...that article has been poo pooped in here since last yr. Gotta find something better than that to try and prove your point on Thomas.

Thomas doesn't move around well? yeah that's silly talk. I get it you're a Michigan man and will always have some bias towards a wolverine player. Dude is good no doubt about it...hopefully we don't have a top 10 pick because that's what he is.

I'm sorry you're completely wrong about Thomas and trying to puff up your dude. shame on you Their both very good players end of story.

No comparison imho... Someone commented and compared...

Absolutely no comparison between the two besides athletic speed. Whether I am a Michigan fan or not..

You won't hear Rashan Gary getting pushed around by linemen and naturally plays in and out.

Solomon Thomas is more of a run stopper than pass rusher.....

"I will start with the negatives. He has not been able to beat OL 1–1 as a third down rushing DE. This is the biggest red flag. I understand not consistently beating them but you have to occasionally flash and he really hasn't. Next his recognition has been abysmal."

"See Thomas (#94) chase the run to the opposite side."

"Um, hey, Solomon it was a play fake."

"Here is my favorite picture. Earl Mitchell who is getting doubled teamed recognizes it is a play fake but Thomas still hasn't noticed and actually runs into Mitchell. Every 49ers head has switched to look at the QB and Thomas is still trying to tackle the RB (and he isn't even close to doing that). Result is an easy pitch and catch to Cole Beasley for a first down."

"The first reaction is too slow to rush outside, not strong enough to hold up inside, and doesn't diagnose plays well. That spells bust."

https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-rate-Solomon-Thomas-rookie-season

Biased huh?!?!? Lol Stop it...

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

"Plays in and out and is exactly what the nfl is looking for"

per Todd Mcshay, his #1 as well as many others who have seen this athletic freak.

6'5 280lbs who moves like 200lbs.. I'm not lying, I have been saying it for a while.

As a Michigan fan I can honestly say there is no way I would take Gary over Bosa. But I've always been a fan of not drafting on potential and just getting the more polished player. For all of Gary's upside he hasn't lived up to his hype. And don't blame it on the "double teams" Hurst ate up most of the double teams last year. This year Gary will be getting even more double teams and I'm not expecting him to blow up this year cause of that.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by WINiner:
Not at all what the 49ers need. Im sure he will be a good pro, but he's more Solomon than Ware, and we need that true leo, of which Gary is not imo.

Biggest concern:

"Doesn't have ideal size for an NFL defensive tackle at only 273 pounds
Only one season of top pass-rushing production
Can get overpowered by double teams and moved off the LOS, particularly on the front side of "power" plays
May not have a true position.
Most of his snaps came inside so he lacks reps outside the tackle where he is most likely to play on base downs."

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-pff-scouting-report-solomon-thomas-de-stanford

I'm sorry but he doesn't compare to Solomon Thomas at all...

Gary is 6'5 280-290 that moves like 200lbs and doesn't get pushed on the line, plays inside and out on the end position where he is most comfortable..

You're comparisons are completely off. We are talking about a special blend of player here. Again no disrespect to Solomon but no where near the same caliber of player. lol

"When you watch Gary's tape, taking stock of his developed skills and athletic possibilities, you see he's the rare athlete who's not a tweener. He's not trapped between college positions without a firm command of the skills needed to excel in either. He is instead legitimately versatile enough to project as a dominant player in many roles."

Solomon Thomas 6'2 256lbs

Rashan Gary 6'5 280lbs-290lbs that moves like 200lbs..

Solomon Thomas is nothing like Rashan Gary in comparison. You have to re-evaluate the two if you're going to be comparing them...

He is actually the opposite of Solomon Thomas, his weaknesses are Rashan Gary's strength... no where near the prospect and or the size..

Maybe speed but you will never hear Rashan Gary having trouble shedding blocks like you do with Solomon Thomas..

Except that he's stiff and has little to no bend. In that way they look awful similar when playing LEO. Sorry if your homer won't let you see that, but Gary is more of a big end than a LEO. Yes Gary is bigger, longer, stronger than Solomon, but they look similar coming off the edge imo.

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Solomon Thomas 6'2 256lbs

Lol

Originally posted by WINiner:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Originally posted by WINiner:

Not at all what the 49ers need. Im sure he will be a good pro, but he's more Solomon than Ware, and we need that true leo, of which Gary is not imo.

Biggest concern:

"Doesn't have ideal size for an NFL defensive tackle at only 273 pounds
Only one season of top pass-rushing production
Can get overpowered by double teams and moved off the LOS, particularly on the front side of "power" plays
May not have a true position.
Most of his snaps came inside so he lacks reps outside the tackle where he is most likely to play on base downs."

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-pff-scouting-report-solomon-thomas-de-stanford

I'm sorry but he doesn't compare to Solomon Thomas at all...

Gary is 6'5 280-290 that moves like 200lbs and doesn't get pushed on the line, plays inside and out on the end position where he is most comfortable..

You're comparisons are completely off. We are talking about a special blend of player here. Again no disrespect to Solomon but no where near the same caliber of player. lol

"When you watch Gary's tape, taking stock of his developed skills and athletic possibilities, you see he's the rare athlete who's not a tweener. He's not trapped between college positions without a firm command of the skills needed to excel in either. He is instead legitimately versatile enough to project as a dominant player in many roles."

Solomon Thomas 6'2 256lbs

Rashan Gary 6'5 280lbs-290lbs that moves like 200lbs..

Solomon Thomas is nothing like Rashan Gary in comparison. You have to re-evaluate the two if you're going to be comparing them...

He is actually the opposite of Solomon Thomas, his weaknesses are Rashan Gary's strength... no where near the prospect and or the size..

Maybe speed but you will never hear Rashan Gary having trouble shedding blocks like you do with Solomon Thomas..

Except that he's stiff and has little to no bend. In that way they look awful similar when playing LEO. Sorry if your homer won't let you see that, but Gary is more of a big end than a LEO. Yes Gary is bigger, longer, stronger than Solomon, but they look similar coming off the edge imo.

It's obvious we have a problem getting to the Qb...

No ones job is secure if we cannot get to the Qb, simple and plain.

What we need is players that can accomplish that task, thus far none have.. So anyone's position is up for grabs when you are rock bottom in getting to the Qb.

Solomon is a tweener and Rashan is not a tweener. Rashan is a natural pass rusher.. Something Solomon is not.

There's no homer in realizing that... One is natural getting at the Qb from the edge and powerful enough disrupting from within inside.. One is already the weight 280-290lbs, the other needs to gain the weight.

Gary is built for either inside or edge, he doesn't need to bulk up, thats the catch. Nothing a like.

The other cannot, nothing alike besides speed and is not a natural pass rusher. He is still finding himself and is a better runstopper at this point than a pass rusher coming off any edge..

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:
No comparison imho... Someone commented and compared...

Absolutely no comparison between the two besides athletic speed. Whether I am a Michigan fan or not..

You won't hear Rashan Gary getting pushed around by linemen and naturally plays in and out.

Solomon Thomas is more of a run stopper than pass rusher.....

"I will start with the negatives. He has not been able to beat OL 1–1 as a third down rushing DE. This is the biggest red flag. I understand not consistently beating them but you have to occasionally flash and he really hasn't. Next his recognition has been abysmal."

"See Thomas (#94) chase the run to the opposite side."

"Um, hey, Solomon it was a play fake."

"Here is my favorite picture. Earl Mitchell who is getting doubled teamed recognizes it is a play fake but Thomas still hasn't noticed and actually runs into Mitchell. Every 49ers head has switched to look at the QB and Thomas is still trying to tackle the RB (and he isn't even close to doing that). Result is an easy pitch and catch to Cole Beasley for a first down."

"The first reaction is too slow to rush outside, not strong enough to hold up inside, and doesn't diagnose plays well. That spells bust."

https://www.quora.com/How-do-you-rate-Solomon-Thomas-rookie-season

Biased huh?!?!? Lol Stop it...

Dude stop you're so biased with Michigan players let's not even debate that lol. This isn't about Gary being a bad player cause he's not. The comments of lack of effort is complete trash and you know it.

We have no idea who was responsible for that play fake in Saleh's scheme and that play doesn't reflect effort what's so ever (and he was a rookie)...I can throw clips of him chasing down players just as easy.

Not strong enough to hold up inside HAHA dude put up 30 reps on the bench which was 4th overall among all DL in his draft class. Vs Norte Dame (and nelson) he had a sack, hit and two hurries,and also led the team with six defensive stops.

SF needs to play him inside on passing downs and that was the issue last yr.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Solomon Thomas 6'2 256lbs

Lol

kid hasn't been 256 lbs since he was a freshmen in HS. Wu really trying hard here.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Wu-5Rings:

Solomon Thomas 6'2 256lbs

Lol

kid hasn't been 256 lbs since he was a freshmen in HS. Wu really trying hard here.

Rashan Gary is naturally 280-290lbs already in college, was in high school as well, there's no bulking up. Solomon had to gain that. He isn't a natural pass rusher, face it. Rashan was 293 in high school.

No biased he is taylor made for the position, he is a natural pass rusher

"Gary is an extraordinary DL prospect who spent most of his high school career as a weakside defensive end, because that's where dominant pass rushers who accumulate 27.5 sacks in two years tend to be found. The catch with Gary is that he's 6'4 and 293, putting him firmly among players who end up inside at defensive tackle after gaining college weight."
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sbnation.com/platform/amp/college-football-recruiting/2016/2/4/10833200/rashan-gary-recruit-michigan