Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by bigwads:
But they all have great WR's, right? We don't have an argument. The point is they have great players and whether we are drafting great players. If you have a great WR talent that you could draft are you saying you wouldn't draft him because of the reasons you mentioned?
Rice- 1st rounder btw
No. he's saying the teams you're talking about that are dominating in the box score offensively, didn't HAVE to draft WRs in the top 10. When you have a great QB and offensive minded playcaller you've already got a leg up on everything. Look at the Rams yes they spent a 1st (in a trade) for Cooks, but cooper and woods have been freaking awesome for them (neither are 1st rd picks). Look at the Chiefs, hill was a 5th rd pick and Kelce was was a 3rd rd pick. Saints top WR Thomas was a 2nd rd pick. Brees was throwing TDs Thursday to a bunch of no names. Who's the stud 1st rd picks the Pats drafted?
I want a great WR just as much as anyone else, I get it, it's the sexy pick and we all play fantasy football...this draft is setup to finally give us a true edge rusher that can transform the defense.
Edge>WR in this draft without question.
The point of not having to draft a WR in the first round is stipulated (this is why I said we aren't in an argument)-but that rule exists for every position. You don't "have to" draft RB's or QB's or LB's or any position group. What you "have to" do is draft players who are good.
I do recall Bill Polian saying that the Colts would only draft players in the first round who either: 1. rushed the passer, or 2. touched the ball i.e. WR, RB, QB, or, 3. those who covered those to touched the ball i.e. CB's. And, this was before the NFL started legislating defense out of the game.
If you want to ask about what I think is paramount in draft philosophy it is one simple rule-don't draft busts in the first round-period. Secondly, I would fall into the Polian like camp. However, great teams have deviated from the Polian rule like New England. Historically, when lookinat at the best teams over many years they simply don't draft busts. For them, it didn't matter if they took guards or centers, but those picks better be HOF's or close to it.
Naturally, I think if you had a choice you would rather draft position groups that have more impact on the game, of course. But, if you look at the best teams and take a look at their drafts, they simply don't make Solomon Thomas like picks. Lynch's first pick was a huge disaster, because he violated every major rule (and this isn't Monday morning quarterbacking-it was a bad pick when it was made). Thomas did not fit the scheme, played the same position as Buckner but Buckner was a better player, they moved his position forcing him to learn a new position and basically had no role on the team unless he could transfer to rushing from the outside, but there was no film of him doing that. He could play the DE spot in a big nickel type of role where he was there to stop the run, but that isn't what our FO did-the have done everything wrong with Thomas. Despite them doing everything wrong, he was still the wrong person to take.
The added wrinkle to the above is the simply point that the NFL is changing, because the rules are changing. We are having the best teams in the league scoring over 30, 40 and now 50 pts individually against each other in the same game.
I am intrigued by Bosa and Clelin Ferrell in this draft. I would probably take either of them over any other players including Metcalf. I love Ferrell's production over many years. If his measurables pan out at the combine I may like him more than Bosa even. But absent those two players, Metcalf is a freaking star, and don't even compare a star in the SEC with Sutton...cmon.
