DK Metcalf

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
My comp for Metcalf is Breshad Perriman. I just don't see a great career in the NFL.

Surprised you didn't say a less fluid Tyrone Calico.

I give him credit on the bench...not bad for a guy with arms that long....

Since 2003, 208 quarterbacks and 39 players to weigh over 300 pounds have run the three-cone drill in a faster time than Ole Miss WR D.K. Metcalf's 7.38 seconds.

Metcalf (6'3/228) struggled mightily in the 20-yard shuttle and three-cone drill, but absolutely scorched the 40-yard dash, running it in 4.33 seconds, the fastest time by a player of more than 225 pounds since 2003. How you weigh his combine on the whole depends on how much of a demerit you place on Metcalf due to his agility drills, because the rest of his workout (jumps included) was rather impressive. ESPN's Todd McShay pointed to the Ole Miss wideout's performance as one of the three best to take place in Indianapolis over the weekend. While we don't think that those agility marks can be dismissed outright -- they're very, very poor -- Metcalf may well have locked up a top-15 pick -- if not a top-10 pick -- with his other impressive marks.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Don't get me wrong I'm 100% taking Bosa over him, 100% against trading down if Bosa's on the board but Shanny has had success with Andre, Julio, Gordon. I'm not seeing how Metcalf is going to be a problem in his offense.

Agreed again.

The only way that I can see it happen is if the Cards end up taking Bosa instead of Murray. Then, the 9ers will have a decision to make. Do we take Allen or trade down to take Metcalf and an EDGE? Personally, I don't think Allen is that good. At that level, I think there are a number of options that we can consider such as Sweat and others.

Originally posted by krizay:
I challenge you to watch little Greedy Williams on him and tell me how he's going to be a mismatch for NFL players.

Nah, no big deal. I can dig up a ton of other clips too.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Here's a really good breakdown of Metcalf. I like the comparison to a more explosive Demaryius Thomas. He's not a great route runner or very flexible but he can definitely work on that if he cuts out some of the lifting. Butler is a really interesting prospect as well who could fall to our second round pick.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-combine-d-k-metcalf-dominates-in-indy-but-his-game-day-outlook-isnt-as-easy-an-evaluation/amp/

Butler at 6'5" can be a match-up nightmare with such an extended reach.

But, if I have to guess, Kyle Shanahan will probably just confine himself to his usual style of WRs and I can see him picking Deebo Samuel. He tends to prefer these smaller, shiftier guys.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Since 2003, 208 quarterbacks and 39 players to weigh over 300 pounds have run the three-cone drill in a faster time than Ole Miss WR D.K. Metcalf's 7.38 seconds.

Metcalf (6'3/228) struggled mightily in the 20-yard shuttle and three-cone drill, but absolutely scorched the 40-yard dash, running it in 4.33 seconds, the fastest time by a player of more than 225 pounds since 2003. How you weigh his combine on the whole depends on how much of a demerit you place on Metcalf due to his agility drills, because the rest of his workout (jumps included) was rather impressive. ESPN's Todd McShay pointed to the Ole Miss wideout's performance as one of the three best to take place in Indianapolis over the weekend. While we don't think that those agility marks can be dismissed outright -- they're very, very poor -- Metcalf may well have locked up a top-15 pick -- if not a top-10 pick -- with his other impressive marks.

one trick pony. He's got the size and speed of a Calvin Johnson but will have the route running of a jacked David Boston

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Here's a really good breakdown of Metcalf. I like the comparison to a more explosive Demaryius Thomas. He's not a great route runner or very flexible but he can definitely work on that if he cuts out some of the lifting. Butler is a really interesting prospect as well who could fall to our second round pick.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-combine-d-k-metcalf-dominates-in-indy-but-his-game-day-outlook-isnt-as-easy-an-evaluation/amp/

Butler at 6'5" can be a match-up nightmare with such an extended reach.

But, if I have to guess, Kyle Shanahan will probably just confine himself to his usual style of WRs and I can see him picking Deebo Samuel. He tends to prefer these smaller, shiftier guys.

To me, I'm not sure Shanny prefers smaller, shiftier guys(see Garcon, Pierre) I think he prefers guys he thinks can beat man-coverage. That was supposed to be Pettis' strong suite coming out but struggled early in the year, especially with some injuries. Garcon was that type of guy who could use his route running and strength to win in man but didn't quite pan out.

To me, I think Shanny doesn't like counting on a guy just being bigger and stronger than the DB. He'd rather have a guy open than a guy who might be able to still make a catch while covered.

Originally posted by jonnydel:
To me, I'm not sure Shanny prefers smaller, shiftier guys(see Garcon, Pierre) I think he prefers guys he thinks can beat man-coverage. That was supposed to be Pettis' strong suite coming out but struggled early in the year, especially with some injuries. Garcon was that type of guy who could use his route running and strength to win in man but didn't quite pan out.

To me, I think Shanny doesn't like counting on a guy just being bigger and stronger than the DB. He'd rather have a guy open than a guy who might be able to still make a catch while covered.

That is precisely Shanahan's problem. In my view, he totally underestimates the advantage of height, strength and reach. You can learn to run better routes, but if you are born skinny, you are never going to be a DK Metcalf. So, he picks guys like Pettis who is as thin as a piece of paper or signs a guy like Goodwin who is soft, both of whom not only cannot outmuscle the DBs, they can't take the hits from the DBs and ends up getting injured and taking time off.

I strongly believe we need a true No.1 WR that has height, size, strength and reach. A guy even when being double-teamed can still go up and get it and bounce off the DBs. We haven't had a red zone weapon for the longest time and Metcalf could be that guy. Well, at least T.O. says DK is like him. LOL.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Nah, no big deal. I can dig up a ton of other clips too.

Mine was an actual game clip. Not highlight clips

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Here's a really good breakdown of Metcalf. I like the comparison to a more explosive Demaryius Thomas. He's not a great route runner or very flexible but he can definitely work on that if he cuts out some of the lifting. Butler is a really interesting prospect as well who could fall to our second round pick.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-combine-d-k-metcalf-dominates-in-indy-but-his-game-day-outlook-isnt-as-easy-an-evaluation/amp/

Butler at 6'5" can be a match-up nightmare with such an extended reach.

But, if I have to guess, Kyle Shanahan will probably just confine himself to his usual style of WRs and I can see him picking Deebo Samuel. He tends to prefer these smaller, shiftier guys.

To me, I'm not sure Shanny prefers smaller, shiftier guys(see Garcon, Pierre) I think he prefers guys he thinks can beat man-coverage. That was supposed to be Pettis' strong suite coming out but struggled early in the year, especially with some injuries. Garcon was that type of guy who could use his route running and strength to win in man but didn't quite pan out.

To me, I think Shanny doesn't like counting on a guy just being bigger and stronger than the DB. He'd rather have a guy open than a guy who might be able to still make a catch while covered.

Also wouldn't call Deebo "small" kid is 5-11 1/2 215 lbs with 10" hands. He's bigger than OBJ and his combine stats where pretty damn close to OBJ at 15lbs bigger. He's not OBJ but I think he will be a damn good WR especially in this scheme.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Nah, no big deal. I can dig up a ton of other clips too.

Mine was an actual game clip. Not highlight clips

Bro, what is the difference? So, Nate picked out footage from actual games and even used graphics to demonstrate what he was talking about.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Bro, what is the difference? So, Nate picked out footage from actual games and even used graphics to demonstrate what he was talking about.

Truthfully I didn't watch it. To be honest. As it relates to DK i have no more fuqs to give.

I shouldn't even have responded

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Here's a really good breakdown of Metcalf. I like the comparison to a more explosive Demaryius Thomas. He's not a great route runner or very flexible but he can definitely work on that if he cuts out some of the lifting. Butler is a really interesting prospect as well who could fall to our second round pick.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2019-nfl-combine-d-k-metcalf-dominates-in-indy-but-his-game-day-outlook-isnt-as-easy-an-evaluation/amp/

Butler at 6'5" can be a match-up nightmare with such an extended reach.

But, if I have to guess, Kyle Shanahan will probably just confine himself to his usual style of WRs and I can see him picking Deebo Samuel. He tends to prefer these smaller, shiftier guys.

To me, I'm not sure Shanny prefers smaller, shiftier guys(see Garcon, Pierre) I think he prefers guys he thinks can beat man-coverage. That was supposed to be Pettis' strong suite coming out but struggled early in the year, especially with some injuries. Garcon was that type of guy who could use his route running and strength to win in man but didn't quite pan out.

To me, I think Shanny doesn't like counting on a guy just being bigger and stronger than the DB. He'd rather have a guy open than a guy who might be able to still make a catch while covered.

Also wouldn't call Deebo "small" kid is 5-11 1/2 215 lbs with 10" hands. He's bigger than OBJ and his combine stats where pretty damn close to OBJ at 15lbs bigger. He's not OBJ but I think he will be a damn good WR especially in this scheme.

That's all relative. To me, 5'11" is just average size, I prefer 6'3"+ type WRs. I am not saying Deebo Samuel is crap, I think he is great in terms of run after the catch. But, he isn't much different to the type of WRs we have. No, I want that tall, big, outside WR who can be a match-up nightmare and legit red zone weapon.

Originally posted by Rascal:
That is precisely Shanahan's problem. In my view, he totally underestimates the advantage of height, strength and reach. You can learn to run better routes, but if you are born skinny, you are never going to be a DK Metcalf. So, he picks guys like Pettis who is as thin as a piece of paper or signs a guy like Goodwin who is soft, both of whom not only cannot outmuscle the DBs, they can't take the hits from the DBs and ends up getting injured and taking time off.

I strongly believe we need a true No.1 WR that has height, size, strength and reach. A guy even when being double-teamed can still go up and get it and bounce off the DBs. We haven't had a red zone weapon for the longest time and Metcalf could be that guy. Well, at least T.O. says DK is like him. LOL.

You don't wake up and magically know how to run routes...that takes yrs and stuff you need to do on your own. Also sometimes you body simply can't make the sudden movement and quick changes needed to be a top end route-runner. DK's body frame might not allow that to happen, hence why he failed at the 3-cone and shuttle.

I agree you can't teach length/speed. You also don't have to be 230lbs to be a good WR. I mean I'm a fan of his, kinda reminds me of TO. Metcalf did look pretty crappy in position drills as well, dropping balls and not crisp. All said I don't see them spending a top 10 pick required to get DK. EDGE is by far a more pressing need and there's pro-bowl talent at the top.

I think we will get a high quality WR in the top of the 2nd end of the day

Originally posted by krizay:
Truthfully I didn't watch it. To be honest. As it relates to DK i have no more fuqs to give.

I shouldn't even have responded

If you don't like him, you don't like him.

In Jeremiah's mock 2.0, he is supposed to go as high as 9th overall to the Bills.