He does make a compelling argument for taking a chance on DK. When you're that big and fast, you don't really need to run every route to be successful. Kyle loves receivers who can separate and DK can do that on his go-to routes. I just wish his hands were better, but that didn't stop TO from becoming great, so who knows.
Excellent clip. That has exactly been my point. Metcalf is getting killed for his 3 cone and 20 yard shuttle and Megatron never even ran them because obviously he knew they would have been bad. Also, like I have always argued the case for Metcalf is like what Belichick preaches, focus on the strength of the player. Of course the guy is a deep route specialist which is equally why a ton of other receivers are not because you don't find 4.33 wideouts everyday, let alone big strong specimen such as a 6'3" 228lbs guy who can bench press 225lbs 27 reps.
The idea is simple and this is what people need to get into their heads is it is all about making your opposing defense "to pick their poison". You put DK on the field, people know he will go deep which means they will have to account for him, they may even need to double-team him. But, football is a numbers game at the end of the day, the defense will need to cover the slot guys too. AND, on top of that, you do know how dynamic Shanahan's run game is right? You cannot stack the box, double-team Metcalf and still have enough people to cover the slot WRs. That is before I talk about how Shanahan's brilliant offensive mind in terms of how he can scheme to get Metcalf open as well.
Believe me, if we did draft Metcalf, Shanahan will know how to get him the ball. Is very simple, after Jimmy G kills them with the crossing routes and keeps moving the chains 10 yards at a time, the defense will have to task more people in the middle leaving the outside more vulnerable. When there are so many things the defense have to worry about, very soon you will be able to poke holes in their coverage. I will also say, likewise Jimmy G cannot just keep throwing in the middle, I rewatched the Detroit game again and saw how much we struggled. I can guarantee you Shanahan will really open up his playbook to scheme our guys (with or without DK) for more deep routes. The question is do we have the guy to do it successfully?
Originally posted by Cisco0623:
We met with him at combine correct? Is he having a pro day? I'm curious if we're there. And it if we did a private workout?
Yes, we met with him at the combine. And the Ole Miss pro day is coming up on March 29. I am pretty sure DK will be there which was why I posted 2 pages earlier the next thing to look out for is whether the 49ers will be there on his pro day. I am pretty much sure we will be there, for what is worth we will need to check out AJ Brown too in any case.
Don't forget, we now have not 1 but 2 ex-NFL WRs on our coaching staff, namely Miles Austin and Wes Welker. I am pretty sure they will place a ton more emphasis on WR prospects. Hopefully, they will like what they see with DK.
We met with him at combine correct? Is he having a pro day? I'm curious if we're there. And it if we did a private workout?
Yes, we met with him at the combine. And the Ole Miss pro day is coming up on March 29. I am pretty sure DK will be there which was why I posted 2 pages earlier the next thing to look out for is whether the 49ers will be there on his pro day. I am pretty much sure we will be there, for what is worth we will need to check out AJ Brown too in any case.
Don't forget, we now have not 1 but 2 ex-NFL WRs on our coaching staff, namely Miles Austin and Wes Welker. I am pretty sure they will place a ton more emphasis on WR prospects. Hopefully, they will like what they see with DK.
Originally posted by Rascal:
That is exactly my point too.
As much as I like him as a prospect, I am not going to get into a debate with Bosa at 2.
That 2 pick has its own debate between Q and Bosa. I wouldn't want to get involved with that neither. That's a tough one, Q is the better player, but EDGE is the bigger need.
But, like you said if we trade down, Metcalf has to be in the conversation.
People who don't like him can say all they want, don't argue with me, argue with the experts, he is the undisputed #1 WR prospect in this draft without a question. I don't think I have seen Metcalf not ranked #1 by any analyst. Or let's just say 99% of the analysts have him as the #1 WR.
Personally I hope every GM thinks the way they do. Realistically only way we get him is if he falls to the 2nd. Here's a concerning stat. 70% of his catches were on gos or hitches.
Randy Moss didn't have a diverse route tree either. The defense will have to keep a safety over the top at all times and that'll open everything else up.
I don't think we'll take him but he's going to be really good for someone.
Originally posted by All22:
Randy Moss didn't have a diverse route tree either. The defense will have to keep a safety over the top at all times and that'll open everything else up.
I don't think we'll take him but he's going to be really good for someone.
Pretty much. And when we see the guy killing it with another team, we would be wondering damn why didn't we trade down to take 2 players instead?! LOL.
Originally posted by pd24:
He didn't have Julio run that many, he had a pretty simple routes.
Julio ran all the routes I mentioned above.
Here is Julio running the blaze out, the quintessential Kyle Shanahan route(which everyone is now stealing). If you can't run this route at a high level, odds are Kyle won't want you.
He's worked with Gordon who's not an impressive route runner at all and they said they considered bringing him in last year. I've been trying to find it but Shanny had him running mostly slants in their short run with Clv.
I don't think we'll take Metcalf nor is he a top choice of mine but if you can't work with a Calvin esque receiver because he doesn't run enough routes for ya yikes. You may not be the genius people label you as.
[ Edited by tjd808185 on Mar 19, 2019 at 9:25 PM ]
Originally posted by Heroism:
Kyle Shanahan has his WRs run a f**k ton of routes, especially double move and option routes. Tons of blaze outs, whips, dinos, etc.
DK doesn't need to run a ton of routes, but the idea that he can only run the go is just not accurate.
Originally posted by Rascal:
DK doesn't need to run a ton of routes, but the idea that he can only run the go is just not accurate.
You need to watch the analysis in the above clip.
I never said anything about DK. People were talking route trees without considering Kyle Shanahan's WR route trees. Are you guys evaluating DK Metcalf in general or for another team? or the 49ers? Because if you're trying to project him as a fit here, you may want to begin with what Kyle requires from his WRs.
