DK Metcalf

Originally posted by HERN:
If we're going for a #1 WR I rather wait till next year's draft and snag up Laviska.

I would rather wait until next year as well. We have more pressing needs this year. I have stated my position before on how elite receivers are over valued. None of the SB winners in the past 15 year have had one. I'm guessing the reason is that they often demand too much attention and too much salary for the amount they contribute. Think about it. What position seems to have the highest number of players that become a cancer in the locker room. Wide receiver. They are unhappy when their number isn't called enough. The offense becomes predictable when you focus on an elite receiver. I prefer a good but not great receiver in this era of tweets and instagram.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by HERN:
If we're going for a #1 WR I rather wait till next year's draft and snag up Laviska.

I would rather wait until next year as well. We have more pressing needs this year. I have stated my position before on how elite receivers are over valued. None of the SB winners in the past 15 year have had one. I'm guessing the reason is that they often demand too much attention and too much salary for the amount they contribute. Think about it. What position seems to have the highest number of players that become a cancer in the locker room. Wide receiver. They are unhappy when their number isn't called enough. The offense becomes predictable when you focus on an elite receiver. I prefer a good but not great receiver in this era of tweets and instagram.

No, I don't think we can wait. We need to upgrade the weapons around Jimmy as much as possible to help him. At the end of the day, we need to put up points to win games.

Originally posted by Rascal:
No, I don't think we can wait. We need to upgrade the weapons around Jimmy as much as possible to help him. At the end of the day, we need to put up points to win games.

My point is if they are so important why haven't any of the elite receivers won a SB in the last 15 years. Some of the teams actually had very average receivers. I'm not saying that we shouldn't try to upgrade. I would like a big target in the red zone but I don't think a wide receiver should be a priority. 3rd round would be okay.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

My point is if they are so important why haven't any of the elite receivers won a SB in the last 15 years. Some of the teams actually had very average receivers. I'm not saying that we shouldn't try to upgrade. I would like a big target in the red zone but I don't think a wide receiver should be a priority. 3rd round would be okay.

Demaryous Thomas was an elite receiver. 4 straight 1300 yard + seasons prior to that SB year and was still at 1k in 16. They won solely with d that year due to the qb problems and he did little in the postseason, but it's not like he's not on the roster contributing. He still had to be accounted for. From there you got Boldin in Balt, Jeffrey in Phil. These are good receivers.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

This. Very good post.

Unfortunately Shannahan won't be interested in Metcalf because he isn't agile or the most precise route runner.

I think Shannahan may be too stubborn in his ways, limiting his options at wide receiver. I hope I'm wrong but I feel like he may have a little bit of an ego and think that he doesn't need any physical specimen at receiver. He just needs precise route runners that he schemes open with his great plays. He's so confident in his playcalling, that it seems he doesn't value any size at the receiver position.

He has said good receivers come in all shapes and sizes, implying that he didn't necessarily need any huge receivers. Well he would make it a lot easier on himself if he had an assortment of receivers with different skill sets that compliment each other, instead of all of the same type of receiver, as Rascal mentioned. In the red zone when the passing lanes shrink is when you need big athletes with a huge catching radius that use their length to go up and get it.

I think hope could already be on the horizon as we speak.

The 9ers were at Northwestern's pro day to scout Jazz Ferguson. And what is the relevance? The guy is 6'5", 228lbs.

This is the second 6'5" guy we have scouted now on top of Shawn Poindexter of Arizona.

It is becoming clear to me. My theory is they do realize we need a big outside receiver to create that match-up nightmare that we badly need. But, knowing they want to go with a bigger impact player with the 2 pick such as Q or Bosa, they know they wouldn't be able to get to Metcalf with the 36 pick, therefore they need to find that "big" WR via different avenues from elsewhere.

This would be the way I am reading it on top of Jordan Matthews, a 6'3" guy whom we have already signed.

I am not saying we won't be drafting smaller guys around the 6' mark such as Deebo, but it is quite possible we might take more than one WR in the draft and/or we will find that big WR amongst the UDFAs.

Let's see what happens.

With that said, let's check out Jazz Ferguson's tape:

Yeah it seems like you may be on to something. I am hoping they get two receivers in the draft as well. Hopefully one redzone threat and another fast, quick, shifty one like Andy isabella.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Demarious Thomas was an elite receiver. 4 straight 1300 yard + seasons and was still at 1k in 16. They won solely with d that year due to the qb problems, but it's not like he's not on the roster contributing. From there you got Boldin in Balt, Jeffrey in Phil. These are good receivers.

I have nothing against good receivers. My favorite player was Rice and I played wide receiver in high school. Boldin and Jeffrey are good receivers, not great. I think with the rule changes over the last few years average receivers can look good and good can look great. Same goes for QB's. I don't see the need for using a high 1st round pick on a receiver in this era unless your team is set at QB, O line, D line and DB. Those positions are more important. The wide open multi option game of today opens up so many lanes that any decent receiver can be successful. Kyle loves to spread the ball around and use backs as receivers. We don't need a true elite receiver that wants the ball on every play. I still see value in having a big target in the red zone since things tighten up there and an upgrade is always welcome. I just don't want a guy that's going to be a problem.

Originally posted by Rascal:

No, I don't think we can wait. We need to upgrade the weapons around Jimmy as much as possible to help him. At the end of the day, we need to put up points to win games.

There isn't a true #1 in this draft. At least not in round #2. If we trade for a veteran #1 receiver, cool. Highly unlikely tho.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:

This. Very good post.

Unfortunately Shannahan won't be interested in Metcalf because he isn't agile or the most precise route runner.

I think Shannahan may be too stubborn in his ways, limiting his options at wide receiver. I hope I'm wrong but I feel like he may have a little bit of an ego and think that he doesn't need any physical specimen at receiver. He just needs precise route runners that he schemes open with his great plays. He's so confident in his playcalling, that it seems he doesn't value any size at the receiver position.

He has said good receivers come in all shapes and sizes, implying that he didn't necessarily need any huge receivers. Well he would make it a lot easier on himself if he had an assortment of receivers with different skill sets that compliment each other, instead of all of the same type of receiver, as Rascal mentioned. In the red zone when the passing lanes shrink is when you need big athletes with a huge catching radius that use their length to go up and get it.

The problem with drafting Metcalf is the opportunity cost. You'll be passing up on a generational talent like Williams or a possibly elite edge prospect like Bosa.

Yeah that's true. I don't think we are in a position to land Metcalf. We need an elite pass rusher at #2. Chances of us landing Metcalf are slim to none.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
My point is if they are so important why haven't any of the elite receivers won a SB in the last 15 years. Some of the teams actually had very average receivers. I'm not saying that we shouldn't try to upgrade. I would like a big target in the red zone but I don't think a wide receiver should be a priority. 3rd round would be okay.

You really have to look at the NFL landscape. I don't know how you define "elite", but we will be competing with teams like the Browns, the Rams, what I call the new age super teams, i.e. it isn't so much about having elite WRs as much as having legit players loaded around the team. Is Jarvis Landry elite? Is Brandin Cooks elite? I doubt it, but they are nevertheless very, very good WRs. This is what it is all about, it is really about the have and have nots. Watch the Lions game again last year, even we won the game we were already struggling massively, the WRs couldn't get open and when you can't get open your WRs better be big and strong enough to compete for contested balls which we didn't have.

Originally posted by pwillis52beasty:
Yeah it seems like you may be on to something. I am hoping they get two receivers in the draft as well. Hopefully one redzone threat and another fast, quick, shifty one like Andy isabella.

Knowing what we know, I think it could be Deebo and one big outside WR.

Originally posted by HERN:
There isn't a true #1 in this draft. At least not in round #2. If we trade for a veteran #1 receiver, cool. Highly unlikely tho.

Well, that wasn't my initial idea. I actually want to trade down. The rationale is simple, Q is the better player, but EDGE is the bigger need, but I think Bosa would be overdrafted at 2. I am just not convinced that he is miles better than the other EDGE players. So, why not trade down to split the risks onto 2 players, namely a lesser and edge and Metcalf? That was my thinking.

But, obviously it doesn't look like that would happen, so now we will just have to make do with round 2 which by most account will probably be Deebo and may be a big outside WR lower down too.

Catchmaster
...You dont know what your talking about. NE desperately wanted an elite WR last year, and they almost lost in the playoffs because they didnt have one.

Furthur, DK Metcalfs number was not called alot in college, and yet he never complained, never gave less effort.

These people dont know what they are talking about. Boldin and Jeffrey arent great receivers?? I stopped reading there

There isnt a bigger need than fixing the redzone offense, and improving on third downs. It isnt about who is 'elite' and who isnt. It's about a particular skillset, in this case Metcalfs speed, size and catch radius, and how it helps a team. Metcalf and the 49ers are perfect match for each other. Critics say about a 3 cone, not understanding its alot easier for an athletic monster to cut weight and work agility drills. Hes the nephew of Eric Metcalf, I dont it's a problem. Its actually ridiculous. Megatron didnt even run a 3 cone.

Idk I feel strongly about it and to me the same critics are the same guys who wanted to trade T O. (That really helped the team, we were only at the bottom for a decade) or give up on Rice, or thought Crabtree had amazing hands.

To close anybody who was aware of Metcalf in 2017 knew he had star power, while others think hes a workout warrior because they had never heard of him. They also say to draft Bosa and never watched him play!!

If the Niners play it safe and draft Willians or Bosa, then Kelvin Harmon is a great option at 36, and he is the most likely to be there outta the other big receivers

Originally posted by theRealness:
These people dont know what they are talking about. Boldin and Jeffrey arent great receivers?? I stopped reading there

There isnt a bigger need than fixing the redzone offense, and improving on third downs. It isnt about who is 'elite' and who isnt. It's about a particular skillset, in this case Metcalfs speed, size and catch radius, and how it helps a team. Metcalf and the 49ers are perfect match for each other. Critics say about a 3 cone, not understanding its alot easier for an athletic monster to cut weight and work agility drills. Hes the nephew of Eric Metcalf, I dont it's a problem. Its actually ridiculous. Megatron didnt even run a 3 cone.

Idk I feel strongly about it and to me the same critics are the same guys who wanted to trade T O. (That really helped the team, we were only at the bottom for a decade) or give up on Rice, or thought Crabtree had amazing hands.

To close anybody who was aware of Metcalf in 2017 knew he had star power, while others think hes a workout warrior because they had never heard of him. They also say to draft Bosa and never watched him play!!

If the Niners play it safe and draft Willians or Bosa, then Kelvin Harmon is a great option at 36, and he is the most likely to be there outta the other big receivers

Again this could really only happen realistically if we trade down. I just can't see Lynch and Shanny coming out of the gate saying they want Metcalf at 2.

But, the idea of trading down might not be as far fetched as people might think. There are reports suggesting the Giants might want to draft Haskins and if that is the case they might need to trade up to get it done. Once the 9ers are presented with a trade-down deal, I just don't see how they can turn it down. If that happens, Metcalf simply has to be in the conversation. We can still walk out of the 1st round with Metcalf and an EDGE.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by HERN:
If we're going for a #1 WR I rather wait till next year's draft and snag up Laviska.

I would rather wait until next year as well. We have more pressing needs this year. I have stated my position before on how elite receivers are over valued. None of the SB winners in the past 15 year have had one. I'm guessing the reason is that they often demand too much attention and too much salary for the amount they contribute. Think about it. What position seems to have the highest number of players that become a cancer in the locker room. Wide receiver. They are unhappy when their number isn't called enough. The offense becomes predictable when you focus on an elite receiver. I prefer a good but not great receiver in this era of tweets and instagram.

Agreed. No disrespect to Jerry Rice. He would be the GOAT at receiver regardless in my opinion, but the reason he has the rings that other top wideouts do not is because he played prime years with HOF caliber QBs. Julio Jones has Matt Ryan. He goes into my Hall of very good. Randy Moss only had Tom Brady for a short time. OBJ had Eli Manning, but he was never a HOF QB in my opinion. Calvin Johnson had another Hall of very good QB. Antonio Brown probably had the best shot of the number 1 receivers, but unfortunately, didn't get it done.

Now will it help Jimmy G if he had a wideout of that caliber? Absolutely. But it is not a requirement. I just want us to get another legit edge rusher (not some DT convert), a receiver with starting potential (doesn't need to be a day 1 starter, but someone who has the skillset to be a 1 or 2 in the future. I'd like another tackle or guard with starting potential, and then just give us the BPA with any other draft picks that are left.