DK Metcalf

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I see no reason why Shanny can't work with Metcalf just not at 2. He'd really have to fall to our 2nd to even consider it as Bosa and Q are too good to pass up for the 6, 17 trade down. He's worked with Gordon who Metcalf profiles very similar to. According to Lynch we thought about bringing Gordon in again as well.

I don't think the team needs a big Owens esque receiver either. 6'2 205 perhaps but you don't need the 50/50 jump ball guy.

I'll gladly take him if he falls into the late 1st early 2nd. I'll also take a guy like Harmon/butler who has a better chance to be there at 36 if Kyle feels the need to get a big WR.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
I see no reason why Shanny can't work with Metcalf just not at 2. He'd really have to fall to our 2nd to even consider it as Bosa and Q are too good to pass up for the 6, 17 trade down. He's worked with Gordon who Metcalf profiles very similar to. According to Lynch we thought about bringing Gordon in again as well.

I don't think the team needs a big Owens esque receiver either. 6'2 205 perhaps but you don't need the 50/50 jump ball guy.

We absolutely need a jump ball guy. Not every WR can get open 100% of the time. Go and watch the Lions game again. No one could get open, Jimmy G could use some help whereby he can just throw the ball up and trusting he has a big dominant WR who can go up and get it. What we need is a 6'3"+, 220lbs+ guy.

Hey, since you brought up Josh Gordon, do you have any idea how big is Gordon? No idea? Allow me to furnish you with the details, 6'3", 225lbs!!!!! Exactly, what I have been talking about!! See what I mean now?? LOL.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Brah, ,don't tell me I need to watch TO highlight lol. I know who he is After watching more DK, I'm moving off the TO comp. TO was much much more fluid than him.

Also the notion that big guys don't get hurt it down right ridiculous...look no further than our current big WR in Jordon Matthews.

imo there's gonna be massive value to be had at the beginning of the 2nd rd at WR.

I'll take a Butler at 36 all day over using a top 10 pick on DK.

Is hard to imagine you are moving off the T.O. comp when T.O. himself says Metcalf reminds him of himself? Just saying.

Butler? Love the 6'5" bit, but some say he can't get open. But, at least you are in the right direction.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I see no reason why Shanny can't work with Metcalf just not at 2. He'd really have to fall to our 2nd to even consider it as Bosa and Q are too good to pass up for the 6, 17 trade down. He's worked with Gordon who Metcalf profiles very similar to. According to Lynch we thought about bringing Gordon in again as well.

I don't think the team needs a big Owens esque receiver either. 6'2 205 perhaps but you don't need the 50/50 jump ball guy.

We absolutely need a jump ball guy. Not every WR can get open 100% of the time. Go and watch the Lions game again. No one could get open, Jimmy G could use some help whereby he can just throw the ball up and trusting he has a big dominant WR who can go up and get it. What we need is a 6'3"+, 220lbs+ guy.

Hey, since you brought up Josh Gordon, do you have any idea how big is Gordon? No idea? Allow me to furnish you with the details, 6'3", 225lbs!!!!! Exactly, what I have been talking about!! See what I mean now?? LOL.

If your receivers cannot get open the answer is not to get a big receiver and throw jump balls, defenses will adjust accordingly and you are back to square one. You need to find receivers who can win in a one on one and get open, if they can go up and win 50/50's that is a bonus.

I am sure DK will be on our draft board, but would not be surprised if we have the same value on him as the media and draft pundits seem to.

Originally posted by Rascal:

We absolutely need a jump ball guy. Not every WR can get open 100% of the time. Go and watch the Lions game again. No one could get open, Jimmy G could use some help whereby he can just throw the ball up and trusting he has a big dominant WR who can go up and get it. What we need is a 6'3"+, 220lbs+ guy.

Hey, since you brought up Josh Gordon, do you have any idea how big is Gordon? No idea? Allow me to furnish you with the details, 6'3", 225lbs!!!!! Exactly, what I have been talking about!! See what I mean now?? LOL.

Look at Juju in Pittsburgh. 6'1 215. Most corners are like 5'11 205 so you really don't need Calvin to win 50/50 balls.

Originally posted by evil:
If your receivers cannot get open the answer is not to get a big receiver and throw jump balls, defenses will adjust accordingly and you are back to square one. You need to find receivers who can win in a one on one and get open, if they can go up and win 50/50's that is a bonus.

I am sure DK will be on our draft board, but would not be surprised if we have the same value on him as the media and draft pundits seem to.

No WR can get open 100% of the time. Sometimes, you will have to jam the ball in and the WR will need to be strong enough to catch the ball.

In any case, it isn't like Metcalf can't run or don't have speed. It just means he is not only fast, but he has that extreme physicality that allows him to win contested balls.

Winning jump balls should not be regarded as a bonus, rather part of a given WR's game. Being able to win jump balls is a huge competitive edge.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Is hard to imagine you are moving off the T.O. comp when T.O. himself says Metcalf reminds him of himself? Just saying.

Butler? Love the 6'5" bit, but some say he can't get open. But, at least you are in the right direction.

A lot of players say so and so remind them of themselves...T.O was fluid DK not so much. Doesn't mean he won't be good. Just not totally comparable to him imo.

Honestly if you want a true blue WR1 stud it's better to wait until 2020. It's an epic draft class. Jeudy and Higgins are stars. There's about 5 other guys that are studs in their own right.

I'm down for getting Bulter, I'm also down for them getting a YAC machine in Deebo/Brown THEN going all in on one of the top WRs next yr. just a much better draft class, like miles better at the top.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Look at Juju in Pittsburgh. 6'1 215. Most corners are like 5'11 205 so you really don't need Calvin to win 50/50 balls.

So, are you saying a 5'11" CB can't cover a 6'1" WR?

I tell you what though, if a 5'11" CB finds it challenging to cover a 6'1", 215lbs WR, then a 6'3" 228lbs WR will present to him as a complete match-up nightmare whereby the CB won't even stand half a chance..

That is the difference!!

Originally posted by Rascal:

We absolutely need a jump ball guy. Not every WR can get open 100% of the time. Go and watch the Lions game again. No one could get open, Jimmy G could use some help whereby he can just throw the ball up and trusting he has a big dominant WR who can go up and get it. What we need is a 6'3"+, 220lbs+ guy.

Hey, since you brought up Josh Gordon, do you have any idea how big is Gordon? No idea? Allow me to furnish you with the details, 6'3", 225lbs!!!!! Exactly, what I have been talking about!! See what I mean now?? LOL.

If you want a jump ball guy get JJ Arcega-Whiteside later in the draft.

Originally posted by Rascal:

So, are you saying a 5'11" CB can't cover a 6'1" WR?

I tell you what though, if a 5'11" CB finds it challenging to cover a 6'1", 215lbs WR, then a 6'3" 228lbs WR will present to him as a complete match-up nightmare whereby the CB won't even stand half a chance..

That is the difference!!

It's all about positioning yourself not just jumping higher than everyone.

Originally posted by evil:

If your receivers cannot get open the answer is not to get a big receiver and throw jump balls, defenses will adjust accordingly and you are back to square one. You need to find receivers who can win in a one on one and get open, if they can go up and win 50/50's that is a bonus.

I am sure DK will be on our draft board, but would not be surprised if we have the same value on him as the media and draft pundits seem to.

Antoine Wesley

Originally posted by Rascal:

No WR can get open 100% of the time. Sometimes, you will have to jam the ball in and the WR will need to be strong enough to catch the ball.

In any case, it isn't like Metcalf can't run or don't have speed. It just means he is not only fast, but he has that extreme physicality that allows him to win contested balls.

Winning jump balls should not be regarded as a bonus, rather part of a given WR's game. Being able to win jump balls is a huge competitive edge.

Correct, you cannot win 100% of the time but you want guys who show consistency in their ability to win.

If Metcalf can't separate that well, then why is he projected to go in the 1st round?

Are all these other general managers just "size queens", as the zone would call them?

Or maybe his route running and separation isn't all that bad, and its all just overblown crap. He is probably average in these areas.

Shanahan is so picky with his receivers. If the guy isn't perfect in short area quickness, separation, and route running, then its a hard pass from him. Not saying he is wrong.....we'll see if he is right this coming season. I am looking for improvement in the red zone this year. If it doesn't happen, then it just validates many of the opposing view points.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
A lot of players say so and so remind them of themselves...T.O was fluid DK not so much. Doesn't mean he won't be good. Just not totally comparable to him imo.

Honestly if you want a true blue WR1 stud it's better to wait until 2020. It's an epic draft class. Jeudy and Higgins are stars. There's about 5 other guys that are studs in their own right.

I'm down for getting Bulter, I'm also down for them getting a YAC machine in Deebo/Brown THEN going all in on one of the top WRs next yr. just a much better draft class, like miles better at the top.

While there are some intriguing WR prospects next year, but it doesn't work like that, next year is next year. We may need to draft another WR next year too? We need to take care of business as far as 2019 goes and see how we fare before we decide what to do in the offseason in 2020. I just can't see Lynch saying hey forget about this year, let's target Tee Higgins next year. He and Shanny know this will be a make or break season. They will put their best foot forward and see where they still fall short before they decide what areas of the roster still require more talent.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
If Metcalf can't separate that well, then why is he projected to go in the 1st round?

Are all these other general managers just "size queens", as the zone would call them?

Or maybe his route running and separation isn't all that bad, and its all just overblown crap. He is probably average in these areas.

Shanahan is so picky with his receivers. If the guy isn't perfect in short area quickness, separation, and route running, then its a hard pass from him. Not saying he is wrong.....we'll see if he is right this coming season. I am looking for improvement in the red zone this year. If it doesn't happen, then it just validates many of the opposing view points.

Of course he can get open.