DK Metcalf

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Rascal:

And you would be exactly right. In fact, I would be go one step further and willing to bet had Megatron done those drills they would be worse than Metcalf.

He might not be able to get out of the break faster than some of the DBs, but he then overtakes them because of his sheer speed superiority. And even if the DBs could get their hands on him, they wouldn't be able to outjump him or to outmuscle him to contest for the ball. He is just too big, too tall and too strong.

Who knows, crazier things have happened, he may fall. Also, we still don't know whether we might trade down just yet. I am almost certain teams would be calling up for a trade to grab Haskins.

So, let's see what happens.

BS. Megatron would've done poorly in the agility but not as poorly and definitely not worse (Metcalf's 3 cone and shuttle at the combine were atrocious). Metcalf screwed up by putting on ridiculous muscle mass, ruining his flexibility.

He's a top 10-15 pick for sure because he's got prototypical size, length, and speed and good hands, but he's not a perfect prospect.

Kind of reminds me of how stiff Vernon Davis was when he 1st come into the league. After the 49ers worked some of that muscle mass down to gain some flexibility he really became a force on offense

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by Rascal:
And you would be exactly right. In fact, I would be go one step further and willing to bet had Megatron done those drills they would be worse than Metcalf.

He might not be able to get out of the break faster than some of the DBs, but he then overtakes them because of his sheer speed superiority. And even if the DBs could get their hands on him, they wouldn't be able to outjump him or to outmuscle him to contest for the ball. He is just too big, too tall and too strong.

Who knows, crazier things have happened, he may fall. Also, we still don't know whether we might trade down just yet. I am almost certain teams would be calling up for a trade to grab Haskins.

So, let's see what happens.

BS. Megatron would've done poorly in the agility but not as poorly and definitely not worse (Metcalf's 3 cone and shuttle at the combine were atrocious). Metcalf screwed up by putting on ridiculous muscle mass, ruining his flexibility.

He's a top 10-15 pick for sure because he's got prototypical size, length, and speed and good hands, but he's not a perfect prospect.

Kind of reminds me of how stiff Vernon Davis was when he 1st come into the league. After the 49ers worked some of that muscle mass down to gain some flexibility he really became a force on offense

Vernon was a beast. He was literally at least 1/3 of our entire offense at the time, the other 2/3 being Kap and Frank. He was our star TE and No.1 WR at the same time. I think at one point Venon was 250lbs, he then dropped down to 238lbs or so. Both of them are 6'3", only Metcalf is even faster.

Originally posted by Rascal:
And you would be exactly right. In fact, I would be go one step further and willing to bet had Megatron done those drills they would be worse than Metcalf.

He might not be able to get out of the break faster than some of the DBs, but he then overtakes them because of his sheer speed superiority. And even if the DBs could get their hands on him, they wouldn't be able to outjump him or to outmuscle him to contest for the ball. He is just too big, too tall and too strong.

Who knows, crazier things have happened, he may fall. Also, we still don't know whether we might trade down just yet. I am almost certain teams would be calling up for a trade to grab Haskins.

So, let's see what happens.

So Calvin may have had worse COD than DK? Even though he was the consensus top WR and considered a generational prospect from a school that never threw the ball in a gimmicky offense? This was all before the combine. Combine just quantified his ridiculousness. DK isn't considered a generational guy and isn't universally considered the top WR in this draft. Plenty of experts have Hollywood ahead. Nobody had to explain away why Calvin didn't dominate, because he did. Julio did. AJ Green did. DK is the offense version of Gary. After pick 20 or so, take him all day and hope to coach him up. Otherwise, seems like a lot of talent with not much to show and a lot of arguing his case. I think the Vernon comp is fair and Vernon, while a nice player in his prime was never the best TE in football. Sounds like a bigger Chris Conley, who isn't unproductive because he isn't big enough. He's plenty big, he's just not good enough.

Originally posted by KazBrekker:
So Calvin may have had worse COD than DK? Even though he was the consensus top WR and considered a generational prospect from a school that never threw the ball in a gimmicky offense? This was all before the combine. Combine just quantified his ridiculousness. DK isn't considered a generational guy and isn't universally considered the top WR in this draft. Plenty of experts have Hollywood ahead. Nobody had to explain away why Calvin didn't dominate, because he did. Julio did. AJ Green did. DK is the offense version of Gary. After pick 20 or so, take him all day and hope to coach him up. Otherwise, seems like a lot of talent with not much to show and a lot of arguing his case. I think the Vernon comp is fair and Vernon, while a nice player in his prime was never the best TE in football. Sounds like a bigger Chris Conley, who isn't unproductive because he isn't big enough. He's plenty big, he's just not good enough.

Don't sound so butthurt.

Even if Megatron was slower at the 3 cone and shuttle, so what?

The whole point is don't read too much into it.

It isn't about Metcalf or how fast Julio can run the 3 cone and shuttle. The point is you don't have to exceptional with the 3 cone and shuttle to be a great WR!!

Kids potential is off the charts.

Originally posted by Rascal:
Don't sound so butthurt.

Even if Megatron was slower at the 3 cone and shuttle, so what?

The whole point is don't read too much into it.

It isn't about Metcalf or how fast Julio can run the 3 cone and shuttle. The point is you don't have to exceptional with the 3 cone and shuttle to be a great WR!!

All good, not butthurt. But if being 98th percentile or whatever didn't even help the dude dominate SEC DBs, why should we think it'll help him dominate NFL DBs? With NFL DC gameplans. Myles Boykin plays for a top program, is 6'3 220lbs, and had a better sparq than Metcalf. Why not draft him?

Originally posted by KazBrekker:
All good, not butthurt. But if being 98th percentile or whatever didn't even help the dude dominate SEC DBs, why should we think it'll help him dominate NFL DBs? With NFL DC gameplans. Myles Boykin plays for a top program, is 6'3 220lbs, and had a better sparq than Metcalf. Why not draft him?

I don't know what to tell you, but to share a rather well known quote with you:

"Don't focus on what a player cannot do. Focus on what he can do and how we can use it"

And who said that? None other than Bill Belichick.

I don't really want to repost stuff, but I will in this case just in case you haven't watched this clip. I feel like the creator of this video will have all the answers you need.



As for Boykins? He doesn't have the explosiveness and speed to blow pass DBs.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Kids potential is off the charts.

No doubt about it, you need to check out his pro day footage, looks pretty explosive to me.

I am not worried about all that 3 cone and shuttle stuff. I am going to follow what Bill Belichick has to say, focus on what the player can do and not what he can't do.

The dude ran too fast for his QB to get that deep ball to him. LOL.

I am not a believer. He's pretty far down my board. I see Breshard Perriman all over again.

Originally posted by KazBrekker:

All good, not butthurt. But if being 98th percentile or whatever didn't even help the dude dominate SEC DBs, why should we think it'll help him dominate NFL DBs? With NFL DC gameplans. Myles Boykin plays for a top program, is 6'3 220lbs, and had a better sparq than Metcalf. Why not draft him?

His production was fine before the injury. He was on pace for a 1000 yard 10 td season as Mississippi's second receiver.

Originally posted by KazBrekker:

Originally posted by Rascal:
Don't sound so butthurt.

Even if Megatron was slower at the 3 cone and shuttle, so what?

The whole point is don't read too much into it.

It isn't about Metcalf or how fast Julio can run the 3 cone and shuttle. The point is you don't have to exceptional with the 3 cone and shuttle to be a great WR!!

All good, not butthurt. But if being 98th percentile or whatever didn't even help the dude dominate SEC DBs, why should we think it'll help him dominate NFL DBs? With NFL DC gameplans. Myles Boykin plays for a top program, is 6'3 220lbs, and had a better sparq than Metcalf. Why not draft him?

I don't know that Metcalf will be a star, but I do know that Ole Miss has an offensive scheme that doesn't do a lot with their outside WRs. I have no idea how they continue to attract the talent that always seem to have at the position.

I think Maetcalf has some exciting tools. I don't think he can win every way that you'd like a #1 WR to win, but I think he could be dominant down the field, and that is a valuable and devastating skill set. He might need a really good OC to optimize his use with his limited skill set, but the Patriots have made defenses look silly doing just that with their jitterbugs for a long time (obviously, not the same skill set, but a narrow scope of ability, nonetheless).

Originally posted by WRATHman44:
I don't know that Metcalf will be a star, but I do know that Ole Miss has an offensive scheme that doesn't do a lot with their outside WRs. I have no idea how they continue to attract the talent that always seem to have at the position.

I think Maetcalf has some exciting tools. I don't think he can win every way that you'd like a #1 WR to win, but I think he could be dominant down the field, and that is a valuable and devastating skill set. He might need a really good OC to optimize his use with his limited skill set, but the Patriots have made defenses look silly doing just that with their jitterbugs for a long time (obviously, not the same skill set, but a narrow scope of ability, nonetheless).

I'm not denying the traits and I'm with you. It's just all the caveats about how and when to utilize those traits is talking him right out the top 20. Julio is pretty much idiot proof. As is OBJ.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

His production was fine before the injury. He was on pace for a 1000 yard 10 td season as Mississippi's second receiver.

You keep posting that assumption as if his production would have remained linear when he went against a lot of soft competition early in the season.



And the bottom line utimately is that he wasn't healthy in 2 of his 3 years. Only once did he play into November.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

You keep posting that assumption as if his production would have remained linear when he went against a lot of soft competition early in the season.



And the bottom line utimately is that he wasn't healthy in 2 of his 3 years. Only once did he play into November.

The injury is a fine point but he went over 80 yards in every full game he played besides LSU. He did it vs Texas Tech, vs Alabama, and had 49 yards in the 1st half v Arkansas before going down. Let's not act like he wasn't on pace for a good season and his production was going to go into the toilet.

Shanahan probably sees DK as his Julio Jones, this is our pick at #2 overall.

Defense has been addressed in free agency, so defense will be addressed in next years draft.

Can't fix everything in one year.