DK Metcalf

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

I am not a believer. He's pretty far down my board. I see Breshard Perriman all over again.

Perriman wasn't that special as a prospect. He was 6'2 212 with short arms (32") and bad hands. The only thing he had going for him was speed (4.25 pro day 40) and Metcalf is faster (4.25 equates to ~4.37 at the combine). He's also been set back with injuries his entire career. Stephen Hill is another tall fast guy with stone hands and average length.

Metcalf is 6'3 228 with 34 7/8" arms. He's closer in size and length to Calvin Johnson/Mike Evans than Breshad Perriman. Worst case, he'll still be able to use his elite size and length as a jump ball receiver and he has the speed to get downfield.

There isn't a comparable player with Metcalf's speed and length. Moss had long arms (34"), but they're almost an inch shorter and similar speed (4.31 pro day which is much slower, but we all know how fast Moss was). Evans has the length but not the speed. Calvin Johnson had short arms for his size (33 3/8").

It's possible that Metcalf fails in the NFL because he's set back by injuries like Perriman, but I can't see him failing otherwise. He's not a great route runner, but neither was Moss for most of his career.

Still not on board with picking him at 2 because of the injury risk, but I think the potential upside makes him a top 15 pick.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Perriman wasn't that special as a prospect. He was 6'2 212 with short arms (32") and bad hands. The only thing he had going for him was speed (4.25 pro day 40) and Metcalf is faster (4.25 equates to ~4.37 at the combine). He's also been set back with injuries his entire career. Stephen Hill is another tall fast guy with stone hands and average length.

Metcalf is 6'3 228 with 34 7/8" arms. He's closer in size and length to Calvin Johnson/Mike Evans than Breshad Perriman. Worst case, he'll still be able to use his elite size and length as a jump ball receiver and he has the speed to get downfield.

There isn't a comparable player with Metcalf's speed and length. Moss had long arms (34"), but they're almost an inch shorter and similar speed (4.31 pro day which is much slower, but we all know how fast Moss was). Evans has the length but not the speed. Calvin Johnson had short arms for his size (33 3/8").

It's possible that Metcalf fails in the NFL because he's set back by injuries like Perriman, but I can't see him failing otherwise. He's not a great route runner, but neither was Moss for most of his career.

Still not on board with picking him at 2 because of the injury risk, but I think the potential upside makes him a top 15 pick.

Right on!

Well, for now Shanny hasn't shut down the chances of trading down yet when asked by Adam Shefter on his podcast. As much as I like him as a prospect I also think 2 is too high for him, but in the teens he has to be in the conversation should we trade down.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Perriman wasn't that special as a prospect. He was 6'2 212 with short arms (32") and bad hands. The only thing he had going for him was speed (4.25 pro day 40) and Metcalf is faster (4.25 equates to ~4.37 at the combine). He's also been set back with injuries his entire career. Stephen Hill is another tall fast guy with stone hands and average length.

Metcalf is 6'3 228 with 34 7/8" arms. He's closer in size and length to Calvin Johnson/Mike Evans than Breshad Perriman. Worst case, he'll still be able to use his elite size and length as a jump ball receiver and he has the speed to get downfield.

There isn't a comparable player with Metcalf's speed and length. Moss had long arms (34"), but they're almost an inch shorter and similar speed (4.31 pro day which is much slower, but we all know how fast Moss was). Evans has the length but not the speed. Calvin Johnson had short arms for his size (33 3/8").

It's possible that Metcalf fails in the NFL because he's set back by injuries like Perriman, but I can't see him failing otherwise. He's not a great route runner, but neither was Moss for most of his career.

Still not on board with picking him at 2 because of the injury risk, but I think the potential upside makes him a top 15 pick.

Right on!

Well, for now Shanny hasn't shut down the chances of trading down yet when asked by Adam Shefter on his podcast. As much as I like him as a prospect I also think 2 is too high for him, but in the teens he has to be in the conversation should we trade down.

I can't believe I'm agreeing with Rascal but this makes sense.

I believe that DK has enough in the toolbox to be dominant, there's definitely a risk involved and he's not worth a top 5.

If Bosa is gone, and say the Dolphins come with a ridiculous trade offer, out of the players that could be available I would probably only take Burns or MAYBE Ferrell above DK.

I don't know if we see the same player but this guy is definetely not the second coming of Megatron or Julio Jones.
AJ Brown is a better receiver than him.
Parrys Campbell also, Marquise Brown, Andy Isabella even N'Keal Harry.
Even in a trade down, you don't waste a first round pick for DK in this top heavy edge class.

Originally posted by pdc20:

I don't know if we see the same player but this guy is definetely not the second coming of Megatron or Julio Jones.
AJ Brown is a better receiver than him.
Parrys Campbell also, Marquise Brown, Andy Isabella even N'Keal Harry.
Even in a trade down, you don't waste a first round pick for DK in this top heavy edge class.

It's hard watching Ole Miss, the offense sucks horseballs.

They had so many weapons but didn't have the OC, the QB or the imagination to use DK properly, it was easier to use DK and Lodge to stretch the field and work AJ Brown in the middle.

They couldn't even use Knox, if you can't use someone like DK you don't know what you're doing, Ole Miss didn't.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

I can't believe I'm agreeing with Rascal but this makes sense.

I believe that DK has enough in the toolbox to be dominant, there's definitely a risk involved and he's not worth a top 5.

If Bosa is gone, and say the Dolphins come with a ridiculous trade offer, out of the players that could be available I would probably only take Burns or MAYBE Ferrell above DK.

I'd be mad as hell if they were drafting in the teens with their first pick. If you look at the overall history of the draft over the past 20 years, your odds of hitting on an upper echelon player by far are greatest in the top 10, once you get into the teens, they tend to drop off quite a bit.


One of the few upsides of having a crappy, losing season is that you get a real crack at the most elite prospects available. To throw that away for a receiver that only managed to stay healthy in one of three years in college would be quite disappointing, I don't care about the compensation. This team has had plenty of quantity in the past. I don't see how putting yourself out of striking range of any elite defensive prospects helps them ultimately.


I have far more trust in Shanahan to scheme up an offense than I do in Saleh to get by with lesser talent.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

I can't believe I'm agreeing with Rascal but this makes sense.

I believe that DK has enough in the toolbox to be dominant, there's definitely a risk involved and he's not worth a top 5.

If Bosa is gone, and say the Dolphins come with a ridiculous trade offer, out of the players that could be available I would probably only take Burns or MAYBE Ferrell above DK.

I'd be mad as hell if they were drafting in the teens with their first pick. If you look at the overall history of the draft over the past 20 years, your odds of hitting on an upper echelon player by far are greatest in the top 10, once you get into the teens, they tend to drop off quite a bit.


One of the few upsides of having a crappy, losing season is that you get a real crack at the most elite prospects available. To throw that away for a receiver that only managed to stay healthy in one of three years in college would be quite disappointing, I don't care about the compensation. This team has had plenty of quantity in the past. I don't see how putting yourself out of striking range of any elite defensive prospects helps them ultimately.


I have far more trust in Shanahan to scheme up an offense than I do in Saleh to get by with lesser talent.

I know how you feel and I agree with you, I wouldn't take any trade with Bosa on the board, but if the choice is Quinnen or the biggest trade up in history?

If we do trade I'd want Burns, but DK and a butt load of picks? Certainly tempting.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

I know how you feel and I agree with you, I wouldn't take any trade with Bosa on the board, but if the choice is Quinnen or the biggest trade up in history?

If we do trade I'd want Burns, but DK and a butt load of picks? Certainly tempting.

I just don't see that happening. Not for Murray. If Arizona opts for Bosa then largely I think it would be a result of them being unable to work out satisfactory terms on a tradedown.


I'd be expecting the 49ers to get pennies on the dollar in a tradedown scenario. With all the teams looking to move down reportedly, this draft favors the side of the few teams looking too move up. I just don't expect the compensation to be high enough to warrant passing on a true bluechip type prospect.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

I know how you feel and I agree with you, I wouldn't take any trade with Bosa on the board, but if the choice is Quinnen or the biggest trade up in history?

If we do trade I'd want Burns, but DK and a butt load of picks? Certainly tempting.

I just don't see that happening. Not for Murray. If Arizona opts for Bosa then largely I think it would be a result of them being unable to work out satisfactory terms on a tradedown.


I'd be expecting the 49ers to get pennies on the dollar in a tradedown scenario. With all the teams looking to move down reportedly, this draft favors the side of the few teams looking too move up. I just don't expect the compensation to be high enough to warrant passing on a true bluechip type prospect.

You're probably right, but at this time of year everyone is just trying to see how they could get their favourite prospects onto our team.

I don't mind indulging this one, I'm just happy he doesn't want him at #2. I mean this is the guy who obsessed over Fournette.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
I can't believe I'm agreeing with Rascal but this makes sense.

I believe that DK has enough in the toolbox to be dominant, there's definitely a risk involved and he's not worth a top 5.

If Bosa is gone, and say the Dolphins come with a ridiculous trade offer, out of the players that could be available I would probably only take Burns or MAYBE Ferrell above DK.

I'd be mad as hell if they were drafting in the teens with their first pick. If you look at the overall history of the draft over the past 20 years, your odds of hitting on an upper echelon player by far are greatest in the top 10, once you get into the teens, they tend to drop off quite a bit.

One of the few upsides of having a crappy, losing season is that you get a real crack at the most elite prospects available. To throw that away for a receiver that only managed to stay healthy in one of three years in college would be quite disappointing, I don't care about the compensation. This team has had plenty of quantity in the past. I don't see how putting yourself out of striking range of any elite defensive prospects helps them ultimately.

I have far more trust in Shanahan to scheme up an offense than I do in Saleh to get by with lesser talent.

Saleh and is coaching staff are where young talent goes to wither and waste away.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

I can't believe I'm agreeing with Rascal but this makes sense.

I believe that DK has enough in the toolbox to be dominant, there's definitely a risk involved and he's not worth a top 5.

If Bosa is gone, and say the Dolphins come with a ridiculous trade offer, out of the players that could be available I would probably only take Burns or MAYBE Ferrell above DK.

I'd be mad as hell if they were drafting in the teens with their first pick. If you look at the overall history of the draft over the past 20 years, your odds of hitting on an upper echelon player by far are greatest in the top 10, once you get into the teens, they tend to drop off quite a bit.


One of the few upsides of having a crappy, losing season is that you get a real crack at the most elite prospects available. To throw that away for a receiver that only managed to stay healthy in one of three years in college would be quite disappointing, I don't care about the compensation. This team has had plenty of quantity in the past. I don't see how putting yourself out of striking range of any elite defensive prospects helps them ultimately.


I have far more trust in Shanahan to scheme up an offense than I do in Saleh to get by with lesser talent.

I think our best shot at landing Metcalf is if we trade down towards the back half of the top 10, land an edge (Burns, Allen, Sweat) and then trade up into the teens with the compensation we got from trading down. If we ended up with Burns and Metcalf with our first 2 picks without giving up anything, I'd be pretty happy. It's very unlikely given how many good receivers could be there for our 2nd and 3rd round picks, but the depth of the WR class (coupled with injury concerns) could cause Metcalf to fall.

I think the important thing to remember about Metcalf is that he's not just a straight line speed guy. He's also a massive target with the equivalent catch radius of a 6'5 receiver like Calvin Johnson.

Only way I want Metcalf is if he slides. #2 pick should be Bosa, then Q. Here's to hoping 32 franchises think like Maddog.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Only way I want Metcalf is if he slides. #2 pick should be Bosa, then Q. Here's to hoping 32 franchises think like Maddog.

Well 31!

Any vertical passing team should be interested, I think he'd go to the Bucs if their D wasn't an absolute mess. Jags make sense, Bills and Broncos too, not sure he gets out of the top 10.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Only way I want Metcalf is if he slides. #2 pick should be Bosa, then Q. Here's to hoping 32 franchises think like Maddog.

Well 31!

Any vertical passing team should be interested, I think he'd go to the Bucs if their D wasn't an absolute mess. Jags make sense, Bills and Broncos too, not sure he gets out of the top 10.

The Bills make so much sense....they have a strong armed QB, that's inaccurate, and needs a large catch radius WR.

I hope he drops a little and the Packers or Ravens take him. Those two teams seem like teams that would snag AJ

Originally posted by pdc20:
I don't know if we see the same player but this guy is definetely not the second coming of Megatron or Julio Jones.
AJ Brown is a better receiver than him.
Parrys Campbell also, Marquise Brown, Andy Isabella even N'Keal Harry.
Even in a trade down, you don't waste a first round pick for DK in this top heavy edge class.

Negative.

DK Metcalf is widely known to be the No.1 WR in this draft and mocked to be the first WR off the board.