DK Metcalf

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Rascal:

900 yards and 7 TDs. Next season he will be even better.

Deebo? The guy is going to be a career No.2 at best. Fast, but not fast enough, can't go vertical.

We are talking about 2 levels of players here. And the 9ers still need a true No.1. Right now, Sanders will try to fill that void temporarily, but the dude is 32 and he won't be here for much longer.

So Metcalf will be a superstar because he had 900 yards and Deebo will be a No2 receiver at best despite him having 802 yards whilst playing one less game than Metcalf? Makes sense

Dude you know he's not 6-4 230 LBs he can't be superstar...don't you know how it works

Big guys are awesome man

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Dude you know he's not 6-4 230 LBs he can't be superstar...don't you know how it works

Big guys are awesome man

Ikr. The way some people's mind's work on here smh.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Shanny has worked with Gordon who is pretty similar. I'm all for him getting his preferred guys like Deebo but Shanny is not an idiot who can't scheme a freak. If Metcalf was here he'd work out. Deebo is more ideal in this system though so it's fine.

Right and in 2014 Gordon (thru 5 games) wasn't some monster. One game with over 100 yards. 300 yards zero TDs in 5 games.

I think Gordon is actually a fair comp to DK.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
DK is T.O. without the attitude.

No he's not

I mean he looks like TO but he doesn't have the lateral movement and make you miss YAC style TO had. I was at the 1998 playoff game against green bay (not his best game) and the 2002 wild card game. TO is the best player I've ever seen live. Better than Gore, Willis, Justin Smith, and anyone else. He's the only player who could literally score from any point on the field that I've ever seen. He was just different.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Right and in 2014 Gordon (thru 5 games) wasn't some monster. One game with over 100 yards. 300 yards zero TDs in 5 games.

I think Gordon is actually a fair comp to DK.

Due to suspensions came in midseason that year and admittedly didn't know the playbook well. But maybe I shouldn't of used him as my example because the o got worse with him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Shanny has worked with Gordon who is pretty similar. I'm all for him getting his preferred guys like Deebo but Shanny is not an idiot who can't scheme a freak. If Metcalf was here he'd work out. Deebo is more ideal in this system though so it's fine.

Right and in 2014 Gordon (thru 5 games) wasn't some monster. One game with over 100 yards. 300 yards zero TDs in 5 games.

I think Gordon is actually a fair comp to DK.

We know Shanahan loves agility at the receiver position. In the NFL Combine, Josh Gordon didn't run the 3-cone drill nor the 20 yard shuttle. However, I doubt he is anywhere near DK Metcalf bad in terms of agility.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Scottie15:

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by Scottie15:
I'll take AJ Brown and Deebo over this one trick pony.

He has already proven he will be a true No.1. Deebo you say? A No.2 may be, no way will Deebo be a true No.1 WR. To be a true No.1, you have to be able to execute big plays. Think Michael Thomas, now that's a true No.1. Likewise, Metcalf is well on his way. At this rate, he will probably become the No.1 come next season. Soon you won't hear much of Tyler Lockett's name anymore.

So he's proven in his rookie that he will be a true #1 because he's an MVP caliber quarterback who can extend plays.

8 drops, 3 fumbles, 1 of which sealed their loss against Baltimore, and the other on the 1 yard-line.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZiInRDE5cY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGSL85gVm78

If that's what your #1 is doing....yikes.

900 yards and 7 TDs. Next season he will be even better.

Deebo? The guy is going to be a career No.2 at best. Fast, but not fast enough, can't go vertical.

We are talking about 2 levels of players here. And the 9ers still need a true No.1. Right now, Sanders will try to fill that void temporarily, but the dude is 32 and he won't be here for much longer.

Deebo has 959 total yards and 6 TDs. Next season he will be even better. See what I did there?

Also, "can't go vertical" is a straight up lie. Dude has wheels and can burn. He's a YAC machine, something that DK is not and will most likely never be. Any time he tries to get extra yards, he fumbles the ball. I mean, did you actually look at those fumbles? Dude literally just let go of the ball against Baltimore and sealed the game for the Ravens. He wasn't even contested!

I do agree that Niners need a bigger target for the redzone and for clutch 3rd down plays. Essentially, someone who can make catches down the sidelines outside the numbers. DK can do that because of his size. But that doesn't necessarily make him a #1. I've been saying for awhile that we need a big bodied WR.

Originally posted by Rascal:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by okdkid:
It's fine the Niners passed on him. Obviously, Shanahan has his type and filled it well with Samuel. But it's obvious Metcalf has a chance to be a great (elite?) WR in the next couple years. People acting like he's anything less than a great WR are just being stubborn. He's got 900 yards and 7 TDs in his rookie year!

This dude is going to put up a 1400 & 10 season and a few of these dudes will be like "yeah, okay but he's so stiff!"

Its simply a matter of scheme fit nothing more. He's not a awful WR or anything but he went to a offense with a QB that fit his skill set.

I'd take Deebo and Brown over him all day for THIS scheme.

Good on DK, he should be happy he went where he did regardless of him being a 2nd rd pick.

It's a matter of DK Metcalf being an elite athlete for the position and being a total beast at the point of catch. He would THRIVE in ANY scheme.

Yeah probably not.

Look at our scheme for example. Metcalf is a larger, slower Goodwin if he played here.

Oh yes he absolutely can!!!

What fxxking system are we talking about? You make it sound like the guy can't even run crossing routes. Watch more Seahawks game pal, you can bet your as* he runs slants and catches them.

Oh and he runs a 4.3. Big, fast and strong. A complete match-up nightmare.

Conclusion, the 9ers fxxked up with the pick and gift-wrapped him to our best mate Pete.

Deebo is only a No.2 at the very best.

Just you watch, John Lynch will have to go back to the draft again to try to find that guy. Pettis is a disaster and will be either traded or cut. Deebo is serviceable, but no No.1. Sanders is 32. The only guy that looks the part is Jalen Hurd, but who knows whether his back will fully recover?

He's an outside down field WR. He's not going to take an end around and do much with it, he won't play in the slot, he's not going to run a complete rout tree to get the snaps to simply justify his draft position. He's not a YAC guy. All things important to this offense. He would have a single role on this team much like M.Goodwin and it will limit what KS can do with him.

It works in Seattle because they run a system that doesn't ask their WR's to run a complex offense and by design they are asked to respond to Wilsons playground ball because he excels at it.

Originally posted by Scottie15:
Deebo has 959 total yards and 6 TDs. Next season he will be even better. See what I did there?

Also, "can't go vertical" is a straight up lie. Dude has wheels and can burn. He's a YAC machine, something that DK is not and will most likely never be. Any time he tries to get extra yards, he fumbles the ball. I mean, did you actually look at those fumbles? Dude literally just let go of the ball against Baltimore and sealed the game for the Ravens. He wasn't even contested!

I do agree that Niners need a bigger target for the redzone and for clutch 3rd down plays. Essentially, someone who can make catches down the sidelines outside the numbers. DK can do that because of his size. But that doesn't necessarily make him a #1. I've been saying for awhile that we need a big bodied WR.

To add on to this... the majority of NFL teams are not vertical offenses anymore. Those types of offenses are becoming a thing of the past as DE's have become more and more athletic and a 7 step drop basically puts a QB in perfect position for a quick sack now a days. It's become a game of crossing routes and bubble screens, which Deebo excels at and why Shanny likes the smaller quicker WRs.

Metcalf is gonna be a good player for Seattle because its a perfect fit. A qb that can buy time with his legs and elusiveness which allows Metcalf to get up to top speed which few defenders can keep up with to go along with his size. Wilson also throws a very catch able deep ball which is why his receivers can bail him out so often.

The only ? will be how long he can go without getting flagged for PED use like his daddy. (https://www.espn.com/nfl/news/story?id=3641653)

In the end he is gonna be David Boston 2.0

Originally posted by tjd808185:
Shanny has worked with Gordon who is pretty similar. I'm all for him getting his preferred guys like Deebo but Shanny is not an idiot who can't scheme a freak. If Metcalf was here he'd work out. Deebo is more ideal in this system though so it's fine.

Only similarity between Gordon and Metcalf coming out of college is size. Gordon was a 4.52 guy who had quicks and change of direction ability.

Originally posted by jcs:

Only similarity between Gordon and Metcalf coming out of college is size. Gordon was a 4.52 guy who had quicks and change of direction ability.

He's been clocked by Clv doing 4.3's thru out his career and he was actually a pretty poor route runner with much of his success coming off of 1 move routes. Slants, gos, posts, outs. Same way you use Calvin and now DK. People are acting like DK is some kind of new receiver. He's not. Most big guys struggle with agility. It's why they skip that test. You don't need Russell Wilson to toss it to Calvin though.

But I'm not Shanny/ Deebo bashing.
Deebo was the right pick and has Just as much potential. Just pointing out how wrong the league/ internet was.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I mean he looks like TO but he doesn't have the lateral movement and make you miss YAC style TO had. I was at the 1998 playoff game against green bay (not his best game) and the 2002 wild card game. TO is the best player I've ever seen live. Better than Gore, Willis, Justin Smith, and anyone else. He's the only player who could literally score from any point on the field that I've ever seen. He was just different.

this right here. People were either too young to watch TO play, or don't remember.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:
DK is T.O. without the attitude.

No he's not

I mean he looks like TO but he doesn't have the lateral movement and make you miss YAC style TO had. I was at the 1998 playoff game against green bay (not his best game) and the 2002 wild card game. TO is the best player I've ever seen live. Better than Gore, Willis, Justin Smith, and anyone else. He's the only player who could literally score from any point on the field that I've ever seen. He was just different.

TO was never a smooth runner, but somehow he still had the agility to make you miss. DK wish he has that kind of agility.

I went to a training camp workout when TO was in his second year. He came out in a one piece all black body suit. He was absolutely chiseled. Maybe the most impressive wide receiver I had ever seen. If he would have had Jerry's attitude and kept himself focused on the game, he could have been the greatest ever. He was much bigger and faster than Jerry but his head was often in the wrong place.

If Jalen Hurd went to Seattle and didn't get hurt he would have put up the same numbers as Metcalf.