Quinnen Williams, DT Alabama

I remember similar arguments about Solly. Raise your hand if you'd take Solly over TJ Watt today. When you don't play a guy to his strengths because you have a Pro Bowler over him how much impact will that guy have?

A little bit different with Solly bc no one knew where everyone would fit but now we know. There's no reason to even consider a 3 tech.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I remember similar arguments about Solly. Raise your hand if you'd take Solly over TJ Watt today. When you don't play a guy to his strengths because you have a Pro Bowler over him how much impact will that guy have?

A little bit different with Solly bc no one knew where everyone would fit but now we know. There's no reason to even consider a 3 tech.

Is anyone arguing to put Williams out on the edge? He's a nose tackle right now, you'd be drafting him to play nose tackle.


He's unique in that you can put him anywhere on the inside and he has the ability to be a monster versus the run or pass. He's a true three down player.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I remember similar arguments about Solly. Raise your hand if you'd take Solly over TJ Watt today. When you don't play a guy to his strengths because you have a Pro Bowler over him how much impact will that guy have?

A little bit different with Solly bc no one knew where everyone would fit but now we know. There's no reason to even consider a 3 tech.

Is anyone arguing to put Williams out on the edge? He's a nose tackle right now, you'd be drafting him to play nose tackle.

Completely agree with Phoenix, usually your NT has limited value, but not when he slides over to 3 tech in Nickel and dominates.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Is anyone arguing to put Williams out on the edge? He's a nose tackle right now, you'd be drafting him to play nose tackle.


He's unique in that you can put him anywhere on the inside and he has the ability to be a monster versus the run or pass. He's a true three down player.

You think Donald is getting 20 sacks if he's playing 70% of the game at nose? When things go to nickel are you playing Solly inside or him because we already know Solly can't cut it outside. St Louis says hi. A bunch of interior players and no edge rush still equals a lousy d. They were much better with Quinn.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

You think Donald is getting 20 sacks if he's playing 70% of the game at nose? When things go to nickel are you playing Solly inside or him because we already know Solly can't cut it outside. St Louis says hi. A bunch of interior players and no edge rush still equals a lousy d. They were much better with Quinn.

St Louis is a poor example since Suh isn't the same player he was a year ago, let alone 4 years ago. If he is playing up to normal Suh levels, then we are looking at that defense very differently.


I think its a whole other story if they have Donald and say..Fletcher Cox inside.


Even with Suh's reduced performance, his impact is one major reason why Donald is 4 sacks away from the all time NFL season record.


With Williams you're expecting a guy who can make at least as much of an impact as Buckner, if not moreso eventually.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

You think Donald is getting 20 sacks if he's playing 70% of the game at nose? When things go to nickel are you playing Solly inside or him because we already know Solly can't cut it outside. St Louis says hi. A bunch of interior players and no edge rush still equals a lousy d. They were much better with Quinn.

Well having Such and Brockers has clearly helped Donald, I don't like that it marginalises Solly & DJ Jones, but I hate reaching due to need.

Would you like us to draft a bust because we force it?

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Well having Such and Brockers has clearly helped Donald, I don't like that it marginalises Solly & DJ Jones, but I hate reaching due to need.

Would you like us to draft a bust because we force it?

Having Solly inside more has helped him too. He has like 7 sacks since we bumped up ST's inside time. Now you want to move him outside again?

I'd rather us bust on a position of need then stockpile interior players and then struggle to figure out how to play these guys together. But the flip side is Mack, Ware weren't top 5 picks. Don't assume it's a bust.

When you have a top 10 pick, you have to try and get a pro-bowl quality player, regardless of position, that's my view. You endured a year of suckage to be able to pick from among the best players in the nation. A GM can't be a coward and cave into fan pressure to draft a certain position.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Having Solly inside more has helped him too. He has like 7 sacks since we bumped up ST's inside time. Now you want to move him outside again?

I'd rather us bust on a position of need then stockpile interior players and then struggle to figure out how to play these guys together. But the flip side is Mack, Ware weren't top 5 picks. Don't assume it's a bust.

No struggle. Put Buckner and Williams inside, put Thomas at big end. You can even rotate those guys around a bit to keep them fresh throughout the game.


If Williams indeed plays up to his potential then you have two Pro Bowl and All Pro caliber guys inside with Thomas being a monster against the run.

But the flip side is Mack, Ware weren't top 5 picks. Don't assume it's a bust.

You don't reach for a lesser prospect due to need. Right now this team needs impact players. Bosa obviously fits best but it seems unlikely that they will get him. You can look to trade down but if you can't even get close to a reasonably fair offer then you look for the best talent available at that pick.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

No struggle. Put Buckner and Williams inside, put Thomas at big end. You can even rotate those guys around a bit to keep them fresh throughout the game.


If Williams indeed plays up to his potential then you have two Pro Bowl and All Pro caliber guys inside with Thomas being a monster against the run.













You don't reach for a lesser prospect due to need. Right now this team needs impact players. Bosa obviously fits best but it seems unlikely that they will get him. You can look to trade down but if you can't even get close to a reasonably fair offer then you look for the best talent available at that pick.

Most of the game is played in nickel. Solly is an interior rusher in nickel. He'll continue to flop where you have him. Your line is not doing anything without edge guys.

QW is the highest rated DT that PFF has ever graded.

Hopefully the Cards fall in love with him and pull the trigger. They'd certainly be justified in making the pick. He'd fill a huge void in their defense and he doesn't have the injury concerns like Bosa. We shall see

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Well having Such and Brockers has clearly helped Donald, I don't like that it marginalises Solly & DJ Jones, but I hate reaching due to need.

Would you like us to draft a bust because we force it?

Having Solly inside more has helped him too. He has like 7 sacks since we bumped up ST's inside time. Now you want to move him outside again?

I'd rather us bust on a position of need then stockpile interior players and then struggle to figure out how to play these guys together. But the flip side is Mack, Ware weren't top 5 picks. Don't assume it's a bust.

Solly is playing better inside, but nowhere near well enough to take his position off the board.

I'm not assuming a bust due to draft position, it's just what happens when you convince yourself you HAVE to take a certain position. That's normally QB's and Edge rushers.

There will be Edge guys available at the top of round two or within reach after a reasonable trade, that's the way I want to go if no Bosa, but no drafting weaker prospects due to need.

Originally posted by strickac:
QW is the highest rated DT that PFF has ever graded.

Hopefully the Cards fall in love with him and pull the trigger. They'd certainly be justified in making the pick. He'd fill a huge void in their defense and he doesn't have the injury concerns like Bosa. We shall see

Yeah, I'd cream if ARZ took QW.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
No struggle. Put Buckner and Williams inside, put Thomas at big end. You can even rotate those guys around a bit to keep them fresh throughout the game.

If Williams indeed plays up to his potential then you have two Pro Bowl and All Pro caliber guys inside with Thomas being a monster against the run.

You don't reach for a lesser prospect due to need. Right now this team needs impact players. Bosa obviously fits best but it seems unlikely that they will get him. You can look to trade down but if you can't even get close to a reasonably fair offer then you look for the best talent available at that pick.

Most of the game is played in nickel. Solly is an interior rusher in nickel. He'll continue to flop where you have him. Your line is not doing anything without edge guys.

Although I haven't completely given up on Solomon, I don't think he would perform as poorly playing at big end as opposed to LEO. It wouldn't be his best position, but it's certainly better than playing LEO. A plan was laid out for the right side (Graham + Burns/Winovich). Seems legit. It's the least desirable, yet effective option to me if we have to stay at 2 or 3 and Bosa is gone.

Now, considering all of a sudden sack numbers are up with Thomas playing on the interior more exclusively is why I really want to take an extended look at him inside. It's ashame Saleh waited this long to give Thomas more snaps inside, because we wouldn't have this question. It's like how we would wonder what we had in our young defenders under Vic Fangio because he wouldn't play guys or wouldn't play guys enough.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Although I haven't completely given up on Solomon, I don't think he would perform as poorly playing at big end as opposed to LEO. It wouldn't be his best position, but it's certainly better than playing LEO. A plan was laid out for the right side (Graham + Burns/Winovich). Seems legit. It's the least desirable, yet effective option to me if we have to stay at 2 or 3 and Bosa is gone.

Now, considering all of a sudden sack numbers are up with Thomas playing on the interior more exclusively is why I really want to take an extended look at him inside. It's ashame Saleh waited this long to give Thomas more snaps inside, because we wouldn't have this question. It's like how we would wonder what we had in our young defenders under Vic Fangio because he wouldn't play guys or wouldn't play guys enough.

Most of Graham's success is on the left side too.

He'd be a fine sign for us to replace Solly as big end in nickel as he kicks in but he's not your premiere edge rusher. I would not fear a Graham, Buckner, Williams, Thomas line at all. It's not chipped liver but with all of those picks invested in it you need better.