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Quinnen Williams, DT Alabama

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Might as well trade Thomas/AA if that's the plan. Solly isn't a outside rusher, never has been never will be. If you want him as a 2 down edge defender you're basically throwing away that 3rd overall pick.

He hasn't played to his draft status we all agree, I think we can also agree he's a interior rusher and if given some time might turn into a good starter for yrs to come in that role. I don't see lynch and Co. moving off him that soon, just don't.

If you feel that QW is a potential All-Pro, you don't pass on that because of Thomas and Armstead. Thomas can still play the big end and contribute on run downs. You still have him under team control for three more seasons. Armstead can go to a 3-4 team and play DE there. Those aren't guys that make or break your decisions.


who cares if Burns/Allen aren't viewed as top 2 talents...If they play well no one cares if you drafted them a little high


And if you they turn out to be average 6-7 sack a year guys while QW turns out to be an All-Pro level DT, your entire front office should be fired and never ever work in any kind of scouting capacity in the NFL again.

You don't pass up on potentially great to settle for average because that is where your need falls. If they feel that Burns and Allen have that same sort of upside, then so be it but I don't think anyone is making that argument. Most have Bosa and QW as 1 and 2 in this draft class.

I mean did all the FOs that passed on Watt or Donald get fired? What happens if Allen/Burns turn into studs and we passed on them? What if QW isn't a pro-bowler....We gonna draft another DT in two yrs in the top 5 again?

My pt is you shouldn't just pick BPA, it should be a mesh of BPA AND need.

end of the day we can all throw out what ifs
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Dec 27, 2018 at 1:15 PM ]
One of the reasons we want an edge to to take double teams away from buckner. I think Williams(or oliver) could help solve that problem. Especially if we pick up a solid passrusher in FA.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
If you draft a bust yeah you may get fired but no one is firing you because QW succeeded. He'll be joining Buckner in the Pro Bowl. You don't fault a team for passing on Calvin if you have Julio.

I think people are overestimating QW's impact from nose.

Totally agree
Originally posted by gold49digger:
One of the reasons we want an edge to to take double teams away from buckner. I think Williams(or oliver) could help solve that problem. Especially if we pick up a solid passrusher in FA.

No, we want an edge rusher so the QB can't just move away from Buck and escape that interior rush. I think Buck is doing just fine with Thomas inside the past 5 games. He's got 6 sacks in that time span and you can see Thomas taking on doubles.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by gold49digger:
One of the reasons we want an edge to to take double teams away from buckner. I think Williams(or oliver) could help solve that problem. Especially if we pick up a solid passrusher in FA.

No, we want an edge rusher so the QB can't just move away from Buck and escape that interior rush. I think Buck is doing just fine with Thomas inside the past 5 games. He's got 6 sacks in that time span and you can see Thomas taking on doubles.

Good post NY.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by gold49digger:
One of the reasons we want an edge to to take double teams away from buckner. I think Williams(or oliver) could help solve that problem. Especially if we pick up a solid passrusher in FA.

No, we want an edge rusher so the QB can't just move away from Buck and escape that interior rush. I think Buck is doing just fine with Thomas inside the past 5 games. He's got 6 sacks in that time span and you can see Thomas taking on doubles.

Fair point. I'll redact my statement then. So if we dont get Bosa we should trade down? Cause I dont know if any other edge player is worth a top 3 pick.
Originally posted by gold49digger:
Fair point. I'll redact my statement then. So if we dont get Bosa we should trade down? Cause I dont know if any other edge player is worth a top 3 pick.

Without question trading down has to be the top priority, unless Bosa somehow falls.

Between a QB, QW, or Jonah there should be a team willing to move up for one of them. SF might not get a kings ransom, but a couple extra picks and snagging a edge or even possibly DK Metcalf wouldn't be awful at all imo.
I just hope if that goes down that it is a QB needy team that comes to us. It is obvious we are not a team in need of a Qb.
..and they better be a team with lots of goodies.
[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Dec 27, 2018 at 1:12 PM ]
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by T-9ers:
Sometimes you just take BPA and you don't look back. This guys arguably the best player in the draft.

So if qb is bpa we should take him? The whole draft bpa isn't real life. You need to mesh bpa and need. They don't need another 3-tech

If your qb plays likes Solomon Thomas then yes.
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Originally posted by gold49digger:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by gold49digger:
One of the reasons we want an edge to to take double teams away from buckner. I think Williams(or oliver) could help solve that problem. Especially if we pick up a solid passrusher in FA.

No, we want an edge rusher so the QB can't just move away from Buck and escape that interior rush. I think Buck is doing just fine with Thomas inside the past 5 games. He's got 6 sacks in that time span and you can see Thomas taking on doubles.

Fair point. I'll redact my statement then. So if we dont get Bosa we should trade down? Cause I dont know if any other edge player is worth a top 3 pick.

Maybe Allen can be a top 3 pick, but he has to blow up the combine and his pro day to be considered that high.
I will say this. If Lynch has the balls to take this guy and take the heat from the media, then I'll respect him.

This is turning into a Matt Millen type of GM career. Except instead of WRs, its DTs.
Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
I just hope if that goes down that it is a QB needy team that comes to us. It is obvious we are not a team in need of a Qb.
..and they better be a team with lots of goodies.

My hope is Jacksonville comes a calling. They get our #3(probably) over all pick and our 4th, we get their #1 and Ramsey. The Jags draft their QB and we grab the top ER left. Ramsey and Sherm on the same team...... they may shut you down, but they will never shut up.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
Originally posted by Waterbear:
People forget when we picked Patrick Willis that MLB was probably the strongest position at the time. If we don't trade down and Bosa is off the board, I would be fine with Williams.

By that you mean we had Brandon Moore. He had a good year but that's not having 2 top 10 picks already in that spot.

If you want to use that scenario Calvin Johnson was a bad pick.
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
I will say this. If Lynch has the balls to take this guy and take the heat from the media, then I'll respect him.

This is turning into a Matt Millen type of GM career. Except instead of WRs, its DTs.

He's only drafted one DT though.
Originally posted by T-9ers:
If your qb plays likes Solomon Thomas then yes.

Only that's not how it works with top 5 picks who've only play two yrs in the league. They get chances. Also Thomas hasn't been an issue since actually playing inside.

So we gonna draft a DT in two yrs again if Williams isn't some elite player?
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Dec 27, 2018 at 2:58 PM ]
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