Quinnen Williams, DT Alabama

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Lol the fear of Saban struck him soooooooo hard

Saban from across the room:

Legit laughed

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Haha. This sounds familiar for some reason.

Nah it's different, we didn't have a bunch of young OTs on rookie contracts (drafted by the FO) for the next couple yrs

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

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Luckily for you Lynch thinks as highly of Solly as you do! Quinnen is 5 times the prospect, and a lesson in ignoring positional value.

If Quinnen is as I currently feel, light years above the rest, you take him and trade Solomon, for a packet of peanuts if need be.

Lucky for you we already have our pro-bowl 3-tech shouldn't be hard to trey downe if QW is the all-pro DT that everyone needs

Originally posted by Waterbear:

I agree trading down is the best option if Bosa is gone. But you have to understand by now how your importance on draft position that was shared with the front office hurt us.

Now that dust has settled we can see that drafting the BPA was more important than getting a player who plays a more important position that you kept saying.

The question is if we can't trade down would we pick Quinnen or take a player with less talent?

I tried to explain this to you during that draft but I don't think you understood. Now this past one we drafted MM and I didn't like it because I didn't think he was the BPA but I was wrong. I wasn't upset because we had Brown I just didn't think he was that good and I was wrong and it ended up being a great pick.

With the makeup of our team drafting BPA is a must. You only draft for position when you are close to a championship roster which we are not.

Are you talking about taking a S last yr vs edge (what I wanted)? I can't remember your argument honestly.

I will say we already having a pro-bowl caliber DT and a bunch of young talent on the interior. Wouldn't say that's a apples to apples argument as last yr.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Are you talking about taking a S last yr vs edge (what I wanted)? I can't remember your argument honestly.

I will say we already having a pro-bowl caliber DT and a bunch of young talent on the interior. Wouldn't say that's a apples to apples argument as last yr.

Ya so I wanted Hooker but you said he didn't play an important position. Granted Hooker hasn't played that well but I don't think you could argue he's been worse than Thomas. At least Hooker has the ideal skill set that we need at that position. We are quickly seeing that position importance is bogus which is what I was trying to tell you back then. I know you want to hold on to your pick but I really think it's going to be laughable if it isn't already that you believe he was the BPA.

If Thomas was a passrushing NT and he was struggling I would agree with you we need to wait and give him more time. Problem is he wasn't BPA and his position on this team will always be in question because we have Buckner already. He's not a three down player because playing him at big end like you have said is not working. He's never going to be a passrusher there so he has to be a 2nd string 3tech.

Quinnen would easily fit into that NT position and IMO would be 10x better than Thomas in both passrushing and run stopping in base and nickel. We can't get into the habit of drafting for position importance because the quality of the roster struggles and we have to take BPA if it is possible (obviously can't with QB).

To get around this Qunninen pick we should just sign Jarrett in FA. Having a NT with the ability is the only way to get the passrush production we need to have with losing Bosa. We can't afford to hope Thomas develops and have just Buckner doing everything inside and Thomas getting 2-3 sacks again. We need impact players and I think Jarrett plus Burns/Polite/Graham would put us over the top

Im tired of playing second tier players like Thomas, Mitchell, Armstead, Marsh, Ward, and then fans acting like they have no idea why we can't win games.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by T-9ers:

If your qb plays likes Solomon Thomas then yes.

Only that's not how it works with top 5 picks who've only play two yrs in the league. They get chances. Also Thomas hasn't been an issue since actually playing inside.

So we gonna draft a DT in two yrs again if Williams isn't some elite player?

I say it does work like that especially when it comes to adding a potential game changing superstar. Let's look at last years draft for example, who was BPA when it was our pick? The safety from FSU, dudes a stud but we took Mchlinchey who's a stud too so it worked out anyway. Point being, we could have took BPA and still made out. There's still a role on this team for Thomas, just maybe not as a starter, which is fine by me cuz he's had a bad break with his sister and stuff. Only the loser franchises reach in the draft, we take Quinnen or trade down is not a bad move.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Dude looks like he's about 13 here.

Quinnen Williams: "I feel like Kyler Murray is not what everybo..."

Reporter: "What's that?"

Williams: "Nah I'm good"pic.twitter.com/dnviBnZCEy

— Barrett Sallee (@BarrettSallee) December 28, 2018

This is actually the most impressive thing about Q. He's one of the youngest players in the draft and has only been playing DT for 2 years. He came to Alabama as a 250lb DE and he's taking everything he's learned and turned himself into a complete monster. The kid looks like he has been playing the position his whole life and has better technique than guys who are currently in the NFL STARTING.

This kid is already dominant and he hasn't even begun to reach his ceiling yet.

My guess is that the hype train is going to get nuts real soon and everyone will considering him the #1 player in this draft class. I really don't even think it's a crazy statement to say that he has a higher ceiling than Aaron Donald, who is about to win DPOY. You just don't see prospects like him who dominate BOTH the pass and run. Most can't even find anything negative to say about some aspect of his game because damn near everything seems really good to great. Some nitpick and say he doesn't have a great body, but he just turned 21yo and was asked to gain a ton of weight only a couple years ago to switch positions. He'll get his man body as he ages. Until then he still rag dolls lineman and has DE quickness to go around them too, so it's not like he's fat and can't run.

This is too damn good to be true. A player who is going to be a pass rushing menace in the NFL and he is VERY comfortable dominating from the 1 so that we don't have to move our best player from the 3T? Yet people are complaining because it will be yet another DT being selected?

Plain and simple, we need guys who can get after the QB. Outside of Bosa, who in this class is better at beating their man and making a QB fear for his life?

I'd be livid if we passed on this kid because we want to see if Thomas can can improve as a pass rusher. If he doesn't then we just passed on a potential all pro and then people will still be screaming to get rid of Thomas, with no fall back plan after we move on from him.

Higher ceiling than Donald? I completely disagree. Donald is an all-time freak. An outlier at the position. There's nobody even remotely comparable to him. He's got the most unique body type ever for the position. Dude is a 280 lbs tank made out of explosive fast-twitch muscle fibers. He doesn't look at all like an interior DL. A freaken perennial all-pro 3technique with abs lol wtf.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

If you want to use that scenario Calvin Johnson was a bad pick.

There is a difference. Roy Williams was a cancer and Detroit wanted out from him. If we were drafting Q to replace Buckner I'd be more lienant.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Higher ceiling than Donald? I completely disagree. Donald is an all-time freak. An outlier at the position. There's nobody even remotely comparable to him. He's got the most unique body type ever for the position. Dude is a 280 lbs midget tank made out of explosive fast-twitch muscle fibers. He doesn't look at all like an interior DL. I've never seen a perennial all-pro 3technique with abs.

Donald is a freak of nature, but the same thing that makes him a great pass rusher, also allows you to run right at him at times. Williams is damn near unmovable against the run. He also gives you that insane quick twitch ability that Donald gives you. So I'm in no way shape or form knocking Donald, but just saying that Williams is unique because he has the ability to be a Donald type pass rusher and yet he also looks like a Wilfork type plug against the run. How many DT's are able to give you both at such high levels?

Just watch the Voch Lombardi vid that he did on Williams. If you don't see many of the same qualities that make Donald so special, then I just don't know what to say. That play against LSU was mind blowing for a 20yo kid.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Ya so I wanted Hooker but you said he didn't play an important position. Granted Hooker hasn't played that well but I don't think you could argue he's been worse than Thomas. At least Hooker has the ideal skill set that we need at that position. We are quickly seeing that position importance is bogus which is what I was trying to tell you back then. I know you want to hold on to your pick but I really think it's going to be laughable if it isn't already that you believe he was the BPA.

If Thomas was a passrushing NT and he was struggling I would agree with you we need to wait and give him more time. Problem is he wasn't BPA and his position on this team will always be in question because we have Buckner already. He's not a three down player because playing him at big end like you have said is not working. He's never going to be a passrusher there so he has to be a 2nd string 3tech.

Quinnen would easily fit into that NT position and IMO would be 10x better than Thomas in both passrushing and run stopping in base and nickel. We can't get into the habit of drafting for position importance because the quality of the roster struggles and we have to take BPA if it is possible (obviously can't with QB).

To get around this Qunninen pick we should just sign Jarrett in FA. Having a NT with the ability is the only way to get the passrush production we need to have with losing Bosa. We can't afford to hope Thomas develops and have just Buckner doing everything inside and Thomas getting 2-3 sacks again. We need impact players and I think Jarrett plus Burns/Polite/Graham would put us over the top

Im tired of playing second tier players like Thomas, Mitchell, Armstead, Marsh, Ward, and then fans acting like they have no idea why we can't win games.

Hooker would have been a reach at 2. I stand by that...I also didn't think we'd be throwing Thomas outside for a yr and a half.

It's not apples to apples because we do have a top 5 DT already on the team in Buck.

You act like Jarrett was some stud out of the gate...4 sacks his first two seasons and he got to play the position he did in college. You gotta have a little patience man.

I disagree the only way to get round losing Bosa is by getting a NT that get rush the passer.

If Quinnen Williams sniffs this spider chart, I'll never post again.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Higher ceiling than Donald? I completely disagree. Donald is an all-time freak. An outlier at the position. There's nobody even remotely comparable to him. He's got the most unique body type ever for the position. Dude is a 280 lbs tank made out of explosive fast-twitch muscle fibers. He doesn't look at all like an interior DL. A freaken perennial all-pro 3technique with abs lol wtf.

Agreed, QW is good but Donald's fast twitch and strength for his size is unreal. DTs don't get 19 sacks and if people assume that's what QW will do then they will be disappointed.

Hopefully AZ feels like the guys in here and take him lol

Originally posted by Heroism:

If Quinnen Williams sniffs this spider chart, I'll never post again.

If he does that then AZ should run to the podium and hand the card in lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:
If he does that then AZ should run to the podium and hand the card in lol

Donald is already the goat 3tech, IMO.

I think Quinnen has the potential to be a monster in his own right. He doesn't have to be measured up to Donald. Stacking players up to Aaron Donald is doing them a disservice because there's nobody like him.