Originally posted by Heroism:
If Quinnen Williams sniffs this spider chart, I'll never post again.
Q is bigger than Donald, so he'll never put up those types of athletic numbers. Even with that said, Q's ability to move his feet is pretty unreal. He may not be as explosive as Donald, but who is?
The reason I say he has the potential to be better is because he can dominate the run and pass, but he has only been playing NT for a couple years and he already looks like a vet out there. He's basically a puppy still and already looks this good.
Q is bigger than Donald, so he'll never put up those types of athletic numbers. Even with that said, Q's ability to move his feet is pretty unreal. He may not be as explosive as Donald, but who is?
The reason I say he has the potential to be better is because he can dominate the run and pass, but he has only been playing NT for a couple years and he already looks like a vet out there. He's basically a puppy still and already looks this good.
Hooker would have been a reach at 2. I stand by that...I also didn't think we'd be throwing Thomas outside for a yr and a half.
It's not apples to apples because we do have a top 5 DT already on the team in Buck.
You act like Jarrett was some stud out of the gate...4 sacks his first two seasons and he got to play the position he did in college. You gotta have a little patience man.
I disagree the only way to get round losing Bosa is by getting a NT that get rush the passer.
It wasn't at 2 it was at 3 .
I don't understand what you mean what is apples to apples?
Jarrett was a stud early on. Want proof?
Member the Super Bowl? 3 sacks which is tied for the NFL record?
Why do you continue to downplay hooker, Adams, Jarrett and Lattimore to make Thomas seem better than he is.
I think Quinnen has the potential to be a monster in his own right. He doesn't have to be measured up to Donald. Stacking players up to Aaron Donald is doing them a disservice because there's nobody like him.
Yeah I agree, Donald >>>over any 3-tech imo I think we're set with buck and Thomas finally getting play inside.
Move down get some extra picks to get guys you want and be happy about it.
Kid got to play his same position from college right into the NFL too. I'm guessing you would have been ready to toss him in the trash with only 4 sacks in his first 2 yrs? But guys can actually get better..I actually like what I've wen from DJ Jones at NT as well.
Not downplaying hooker, I still don't think he was worth a top 3 pick in that draft. Plagued with injuries in college and torn ACL already. Adams has one career INT imo not a game changing S (good player) I liked Hooker more. I mean if we're doing hindsight it would have been Mahomes
End of the day it's over Thomas is here he's getting better playing where he should have. That DL overall has improved with him inside. It's far from a issue.
If QW is a all-pro then SF should have zero problems finding a trade partner.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Dec 27, 2018 at 8:21 PM ]
Originally posted by Nastastical:
Q is bigger than Donald, so he'll never put up those types of athletic numbers. Even with that said, Q's ability to move his feet is pretty unreal. He may not be as explosive as Donald, but who is?
The reason I say he has the potential to be better is because he can dominate the run and pass, but he has only been playing NT for a couple years and he already looks like a vet out there. He's basically a puppy still and already looks this good.
He's not dominating the pass like Donald
He doesn't need to though. It's his total impact that is so tantalizing. People don't seem to realize that he wouldn't even be playing the 3T for us. He's a NT at Alabama and would be having that type of impact from the 1. How many NT's have a chance to put up 10+ sack seasons? How many are complete monsters at also stopping the run?
This kid has been a starter for one season and is a red-shirt sophomore. Donald was a starter for 3 seasons and entered the draft as a senior. It's not crazy to say that Williams is already the best defensive player in college against the run and pass, but he hasn't come close to reaching his ceiling yet.
He doesn't need to though. It's his total impact that is so tantalizing. People don't seem to realize that he wouldn't even be playing the 3T for us. He's a NT at Alabama and would be having that type of impact from the 1. How many NT's have a chance to put up 10+ sack seasons? How many are complete monsters at also stopping the run?
This kid has been a starter for one season and is a red-shirt sophomore. Donald was a starter for 3 seasons and entered the draft as a senior. It's not crazy to say that Williams is already the best defensive player in college against the run and pass, but he hasn't come close to reaching his ceiling yet.
We already stop the run very well. We get plently of pressure up the middle. I'm fine with Jones as our NT going forward. We have young talent.
We however get nothing on the outside. These QBs can move ya know, they can get out of the pocket to avoid inside pressure. Get a edge rusher to keep them in the pocket that's what I want.
Trey downe with a team that values a pass rushing NT sounds like it's super valuable and we could get a ton of draft capital in return I mean it also sounds like the perfect player for AZ to take at 1 overall too.
[ Edited by NYniner85 on Dec 27, 2018 at 8:30 PM ]
Kid got to play his same position from college right into the NFL too. I'm guessing you would have been ready to toss him in the trash with only 4 sacks in his first 2 yrs? But guys can actually get better..I actually like what I've wen from DJ Jones at NT as well.
Not downplaying hooker, I still don't think he was worth a top 3 pick in that draft. Plagued with injuries in college and torn ACL already. Adams has one career INT imo not a game changing S (good player) I liked Hooker more. I mean if we're doing hindsight it would have been Mahomes
End of the day it's over Thomas is here he's getting better playing where he should have. That DL overall has improved with him inside. It's far from a issue.
If QW is a all-pro then SF should have zero problems finding a trade partner.
I've said that Jarrett is the better run stopper and passrusher and he played NT which is harder to do. Idc what you say Thomas is not getting double teamed like Jarrett is and he's outperforming him. The key here is that Buckner, Jarrett and Quinton have clear positions while Thomas doesn't.
Again if Quinnen is an all pro you would pass for another tackle that's not as good. That's a problem with your draft philosophy.
Adams voted best SS is only good is just false. You might not think some positions are important but what is important is getting good players no matter which position. I've said this before but Kyle Juszczyk has been the best FA pickup we have had and he plays possibly the least important position in football. How can that be?
It's a huge issue that we are getting practically nothing from the number 3 overall pick! It's different if you want to say you believe he will get better (I don't agree but I understand) but saying his profuction or lack there if is not an issue is insanity.
Ya and who wanted Watson and who wanted Mahomes
[ Edited by Waterbear on Dec 27, 2018 at 9:36 PM ]
Might as well trade Thomas/AA if that's the plan. Solly isn't a outside rusher, never has been never will be. If you want him as a 2 down edge defender you're basically throwing away that 3rd overall pick.
Continuing with these investments are probably a sunk cost fallacy, so I'd have no problem with that if this guy really is that dominant
Originally posted by Heroism:
Donald is already the goat 3tech, IMO.
I think Quinnen has the potential to be a monster in his own right. He doesn't have to be measured up to Donald. Stacking players up to Aaron Donald is doing them a disservice because there's nobody like him.
Yeah I agree, Donald >>>over any 3-tech imo I think we're set with buck and Thomas finally getting play inside.
Move down get some extra picks to get guys you want and be happy about it.
If he does that then AZ should run to the podium and hand the card in lol
Donald is already the goat 3tech, IMO.
I think Quinnen has the potential to be a monster in his own right. He doesn't have to be measured up to Donald. Stacking players up to Aaron Donald is doing them a disservice because there's nobody like him.
I agree with both of these posts, the reason I bring up Donald is that it's a copycat league, people see something work and covet their version of it.
Q is a different player than Donald, but is up there as a prospect, I don't want him, I want to trade, this is because I believe that DJ and Solly will grow.
That said I don't want to pass on a stud for someone good, I'm hoping that Allen destroys the Senior Bowl, or even a crazy sequence of events that net us Bosa.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
If he does that then AZ should run to the podium and hand the card in lol
Donald is already the goat 3tech, IMO.
I think Quinnen has the potential to be a monster in his own right. He doesn't have to be measured up to Donald. Stacking players up to Aaron Donald is doing them a disservice because there's nobody like him.
I agree with both of these posts, the reason I bring up Donald is that it's a copycat league, people see something work and covet their version of it.
Q is a different player than Donald, but is up there as a prospect, I don't want him, I want to trade, this is because I believe that DJ and Solly will grow.
That said I don't want to pass on a stud for someone good, I'm hoping that Allen destroys the Senior Bowl, or even a crazy sequence of events that net us Bosa.
Yeah, I'm hoping Allen blows the combine and his pro day up, too. I don't think he goes #1, but he definitely could go #2 or #3.
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