Quinnen Williams, DT Alabama

Originally posted by Waterbear:

I've said that Jarrett is the better run stopper and passrusher and he played NT which is harder to do. Idc what you say Thomas is not getting double teamed like Jarrett is and he's outperforming him. The key here is that Buckner, Jarrett and Quinton have clear positions while Thomas doesn't.

Again if Quinnen is an all pro you would pass for another tackle that's not as good. That's a problem with your draft philosophy.

Adams voted best SS is only good is just false. You might not think some positions are important but what is important is getting good players no matter which position. I've said this before but Kyle Juszczyk has been the best FA pickup we have had and he plays possibly the least important position in football. How can that be?

It's a huge issue that we are getting practically nothing from the number 3 overall pick! It's different if you want to say you believe he will get better (I don't agree but I understand) but saying his profuction or lack there if is not an issue is insanity.

Ya and who wanted Watson and who wanted Mahomes

Great Adams got voted for a pro-bowl so did Trent Williams who missed games all yr. pro bowl is a popularity contest and you know it.

My draft philosophy is to mesh bpa and need not just take the best player every single rd regardless if it's even a need.

What if QW isn't a pro-bowler? We gonna draft another DT in the top 5 in two yrs again? Thomas actually does have a defined role (finally) big end that gets pushed inside next to buck. He's gotten big enough to handle the inside and does take on those double teams. There's nothing wrong with our young DL overall. You don't need 5 first rd picks there.

So what are you saying, you wanted Watson/Mahomes/hooker/Adams etc lol? Pretty easy to pat yourself on the back when you claim to like half of the top 10 picks

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

To be fair, Raekwon Davis has been tasked with taking the double teams, so that Williams can penetrate.

Davis is a man child that is a beast in run defense

Originally posted by mayo49:

I want quality not quantity.

Doesn't mean you draft players with all those picks, you use them to move up and down and get the guys you want.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

I want quality not quantity.

Doesn't mean you draft players with all those picks, you use them to move up and down and get the guys you want.

Absolutely, but it takes two to pull off a trade, you keep saying if he's good enough someone will trade up, but who was the last non QB someone traded into the top 10 for? Julio?

If you can't move at a reasonable price you have to get the best players. You can give someone a little bump, but you can't just ignore scouting projections.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
I will say this. If Lynch has the balls to take this guy and take the heat from the media, then I'll respect him.

This is turning into a Matt Millen type of GM career. Except instead of WRs, its DTs.

He's only drafted one DT in the first round so far. Slow down there. So many people are talking like it's the end of the six year contract and we have years and years to look back on. We only have 2 drafts, 2 offseasons, and 2 regular seasons.

As for the QW, I think the original question was framed in the context of

1) There is no Nick Bosa
2) No good trade down options were available.

Looking at it from that perspective, Quinnen Williams isn't a bad pick. He isn't a bad pick period. I just stated he's my least preferred of the top 3 or 4 guys available. If it comes down to it, I say take Jonah Williams. I don't think we'll get many more top-10 picks in the near future (hopefully), so we need to knock this one out of the park. May as well nail down that tackle position and try to improve the O-line. But regardless of where anyone stands, I don't think the idea is to take Q. Williams as the top option. It's more of, if those first two scenarios happen, then what?

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Absolutely, but it takes two to pull off a trade, you keep saying if he's good enough someone will trade up, but who was the last non QB someone traded into the top 10 for? Julio?

If you can't move at a reasonable price you have to get the best players. You can give someone a little bump, but you can't just ignore scouting projections.

So teams don't trade up for supposedly an all-pro? So you're telling me a stud NT isn't a top need for teams? When's the last time a NT was drafted top 2? 2010.

Teams do move up for LTs and QBs and their should be the top two sitting there just as well. End of the day if we had to stay where we are I'd rather take the tackle. We don't have a plentha or young tackles on the team.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

He's only drafted one DT in the first round so far. Slow down there. So many people are talking like it's the end of the six year contract and we have years and years to look back on. We only have 2 drafts, 2 offseasons, and 2 regular seasons.

As for the QW, I think the original question was framed in the context of

1) There is no Nick Bosa
2) No good trade down options were available.

Looking at it from that perspective, Quinnen Williams isn't a bad pick. He isn't a bad pick period. I just stated he's my least preferred of the top 3 or 4 guys available. If it comes down to it, I say take Jonah Williams. I don't think we'll get many more top-10 picks in the near future (hopefully), so we need to knock this one out of the park. May as well nail down that tackle position and try to improve the O-line. But regardless of where anyone stands, I don't think the idea is to take Q. Williams as the top option. It's more of, if those first two scenarios happen, then what?

I think it's the fact that we do already have a lot of quality young talent on the interior DL. Oldest player is 25 and most are still on their rookie deals.

QW is a great player don't get me wrong. We get plently of interior pressure now and are already good at stopping the run. 49er fans would be pissed as s**t (overall) to see QW the pick imo. Zero outside rush again.

It would be different if we didn't have Buck, Jones, Thomas, AA, street, Taylor who can all rush from the interior.

I'm with you that Jonah would make much more sense, we're not flush with young tackles and at the very least starts day one at RG. It would be a very underwhelming pick because we did the same s**t last yr and I don't think we have to have 7 1st rd picks in the trenches. At some pt you gotta be able to develop guys there.

I remember people pounding the table for jonathan allen the same way.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
He's only drafted one DT in the first round so far. Slow down there. So many people are talking like it's the end of the six year contract and we have years and years to look back on. We only have 2 drafts, 2 offseasons, and 2 regular seasons.

As for the QW, I think the original question was framed in the context of

1) There is no Nick Bosa
2) No good trade down options were available.

Looking at it from that perspective, Quinnen Williams isn't a bad pick. He isn't a bad pick period. I just stated he's my least preferred of the top 3 or 4 guys available. If it comes down to it, I say take Jonah Williams. I don't think we'll get many more top-10 picks in the near future (hopefully), so we need to knock this one out of the park. May as well nail down that tackle position and try to improve the O-line. But regardless of where anyone stands, I don't think the idea is to take Q. Williams as the top option. It's more of, if those first two scenarios happen, then what?

I think it's the fact that we do already have a lot of quality young talent on the interior DL. Oldest player is 25 and most are still on their rookie deals.

QW is a great player don't get me wrong. We get plently of interior pressure now and are already good at stopping the run. 49er fans would be pissed as s**t (overall) to see QW the pick imo. Zero outside rush again.

It would be different if we didn't have Buck, Jones, Thomas, AA, street, Taylor who can all rush from the interior.

I'm with you that Jonah would make much more sense, we're not flush with young tackles and at the very least starts day one at RG. It would be a very underwhelming pick because we did the same s**t last yr and I don't think we have to have 7 1st rd picks in the trenches. At some pt you gotta be able to develop guys there.

I remember people pounding the table for jonathan allen the same way.

Absolutely. I just don't like the idea of rolling the dice and hoping that not only Joe Staley and Mike McGlinchey get through the year unscathed, but then also having no commitment from Staley beyond 2019.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Absolutely. I just don't like the idea of rolling the dice and hoping that not only Joe Staley and Mike McGlinchey get through the year unscathed, but then also having no commitment from Staley beyond 2019.

Right, there will be some quality tackles in FA 2020 as well.

I'm praying for any type of trade down, Allen blowing away the draft process, or Burns showing up to the combine at like 250+

Who knows, knowing our lucky we are the Jets will slip ahead of us

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

To be fair, Raekwon Davis has been tasked with taking the double teams, so that Williams can penetrate.

It's why I don't fret much about Solly's lack of sacks now. He's being asked to take on the doubles so Buckner has it easier. He does that well, gets pressure when the opportunity presents itself. He may not be Bennett but that's not his role here. Since we moved him more inside I'm happy about where he's heading.

Adding Q really doesn't do much to our d. He'll upgrade the interior, but we'd have to go back to playing Solly 75% at edge which is a bad thing. We'd still have no leo. I don't see how you can justify spending 3 top 5 picks on the d line for an average product.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
To be fair, Raekwon Davis has been tasked with taking the double teams, so that Williams can penetrate.

It's why I don't fret much about Solly's lack of sacks now. He's being asked to take on the doubles so Buckner has it easier. He does that well, gets pressure when the opportunity presents itself. He may not be Bennett but that's not his role here. Since we moved him more inside I'm happy about where he's heading.

Adding Q really doesn't do much to our d. He'll upgrade the interior, but we'd have to go back to playing Solly 75% at edge which is a bad thing. We'd still have no leo. I don't see how you can justify spending 3 top 5 picks on the d line for an average product.

I totally disagree. A dline on passing downs of Buckner,Williams,Thomas and a free agent like Flowers is a major upgrade.

Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:

I totally disagree. A dline on passing downs of Buckner,Williams,Thomas and a free agent like Flowers is a major upgrade.

Better on run downs than passing downs. Solly is invisible on the edge, Flowers isn't anything special. Reminds me of a TBC.

Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:
I totally disagree. A dline on passing downs of Buckner,Williams,Thomas and a free agent like Flowers is a major upgrade.

Thomas on the edge is a waste....it's a waste of his talent and a waste for the team not getting the proper talent on the outside.

Flowers isn't a LEO he's yet another Big End (we need a weak side rusher) imo. We'd have one of the slowest groups of pass rushers in nickel.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
To be fair, Raekwon Davis has been tasked with taking the double teams, so that Williams can penetrate.

It's why I don't fret much about Solly's lack of sacks now. He's being asked to take on the doubles so Buckner has it easier. He does that well, gets pressure when the opportunity presents itself. He may not be Bennett but that's not his role here. Since we moved him more inside I'm happy about where he's heading.

Adding Q really doesn't do much to our d. He'll upgrade the interior, but we'd have to go back to playing Solly 75% at edge which is a bad thing. We'd still have no leo. I don't see how you can justify spending 3 top 5 picks on the d line for an average product.

No if anything it's the other way around with Buckner facing the majority of the double teams. First and foremost defensive coordinators are game planning around Buckner because he's our most disruptive player up front.

Originally posted by SFrush:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
To be fair, Raekwon Davis has been tasked with taking the double teams, so that Williams can penetrate.

It's why I don't fret much about Solly's lack of sacks now. He's being asked to take on the doubles so Buckner has it easier. He does that well, gets pressure when the opportunity presents itself. He may not be Bennett but that's not his role here. Since we moved him more inside I'm happy about where he's heading.

Adding Q really doesn't do much to our d. He'll upgrade the interior, but we'd have to go back to playing Solly 75% at edge which is a bad thing. We'd still have no leo. I don't see how you can justify spending 3 top 5 picks on the d line for an average product.

No if anything it's the other way around with Buckner facing the majority of the double teams. First and foremost defensive coordinators are game planning around Buckner because he's our most disruptive player up front.

I think Solly will do better at Big End.