Quinnen Williams, DT Alabama

It's not about Solly to me even though I still think he's of value.

BPA of position of need. There's too many impact positions to spend all your premiere resources on one spot. We're about an off-season away from giving Buckner 100+. I don't want to hear about upgrading the interior.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I like Thomas a lot, I also supported the team drafting him but based on what he's shown, he's never going to give you a whole lot as a pass rusher. I think he can be a solid player inside but if you think that Williams can be an All Pro level NT, Thomas, and especially Armstead, shouldn't even enter the equation. Thomas can play big end and do a very good job at that along with getting some snaps inside as part of a rotation. Armstead, can go somewhere else. He's best suited as a 3-4 DE and will never give you much as a pass rusher.

If you're drafting #2, unless some team blows you away with an amazing tradedown offer, you want to walk away with a GREAT player and to me, outside of Bosa, Williams gives you the best chance for a guy that can be great. You don't have to move him anywhere, you play him at nose tackle right alongside Buckner and let him do his thing.

For me it's not about defending Thomas, he's on the team and will be for at least 2 more yrs (based on that contract). I think he has improved a lot since playing where he did in college. I bet money Lynch and the coaching staff see it and want him to grow into that role finally. For all we know the plan was for Thomas to get bigger and play primarily inside. He's up to 285 now and hasn't been close to a liability in the run game like some thought. We've seen guys around him have success over the past 5 games.

I do think Q is better than him, no doubt there. I also think he doesn't start his career out as a edge rusher, right?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Why don't teams move up? is it because the position overall isn't worth it?

IF SF is asking for the moon that's one thing, but they don't have to. What if Oakland is in love with him at 4? I'll gladly take their 35th pick.

Saints gave up a 2019 1st rd pick to move up and get Davenport last yr.

Teams usually only pay up for QBs historically. Also teams don't want to miss out on the true elite prospects by trading down.

That is why i posted earlier that i am saying the beads for Haskins, Herbert, Grier, etc,etc,, that they all just ball out thru their skulls in their last or next to last appearances in bowl games. It's the TB, Jax, NYG, Denvers that are the potential customers bearing gifts.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Teams usually only pay up for QBs historically. Also teams don't want to miss out on the true elite prospects by trading down.

only it happens all the time...especially when you already have elite talent at that position.

Originally posted by tjd808185:
It's not about Solly to me even though I still think he's of value.

BPA of position of need. There's too many impact positions to spend all your premiere resources on one spot. We're about an off-season away from giving Buckner 100+. I don't want to hear about upgrading the interior.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

It's not about Solly to me even though I still think he's of value.

BPA of position of need. There's too many impact positions to spend all your premiere resources on one spot. We're about an off-season away from giving Buckner 100+. I don't want to hear about upgrading the interior.

I understand this , and same for NY's thots on interiors. I agree with both. But it is awful hard to argue with PHX's Buck/Q as our passrush and make Solly our DE plus get another pair of lesser ERs in draft. Last yr we did it again, adding to our interiors and ultimately someone has to say "stop with this interior business already". But PHX has got really good grounds for his case made a few posts back. Drafting yet another interior , Q, and paired with Buck, bolstered by Solly outside plus a pair of lesser ERs, sounds pretty darn good if Bosa is gone. Can't believe i am saying this after swearing off any more interior DTs EVER.

We still get the passrush, altho up the gut, giving our DEs a lot of help and 1 on 1s vs RBs or TEs. You actually do get to the same place...QB rush and containment.

On another note, unless it is Jonah, we better be not getting a #1WR next, no matter how bad we need him. That is FA or further down the draft list. We can play with the O we have at present. We can't play with our current D.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

It's not about Solly to me even though I still think he's of value.

BPA of position of need. There's too many impact positions to spend all your premiere resources on one spot. We're about an off-season away from giving Buckner 100+. I don't want to hear about upgrading the interior.

100% this.

Also Thomas has improved recently. If he makes another jump next season he'll be lined up for a nice pay day as well.

Williams is a bad mofo, but for all these reasons I can't see us drafting him.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
100% this.

Also Thomas has improved recently. If he makes another jump next season he'll be lined up for a nice pay day as well.

Williams is a bad mofo, but for all these reasons I can't see us drafting him.

Then you still have Williams on a rookie contract for another 4 years and you trade Thomas elsewhere.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
I understand this , and same for NY's thots on interiors. I agree with both. But it is awful hard to argue with PHX's Buck/Q as our passrush and make Solly our DE plus get another pair of lesser ERs in draft. Last yr we did it again, adding to our interiors and ultimately someone has to say "stop with this interior business already". But PHX has got really good grounds for his case made a few posts back. Drafting yet another interior , Q, and paired with Buck, bolstered by Solly outside plus a pair of lesser ERs, sounds pretty darn good if Bosa is gone. Can't believe i am saying this after swearing off any more interior DTs EVER.

We still get the passrush, altho up the gut, giving our DEs a lot of help and 1 on 1s vs RBs or TEs. You actually do get to the same place...QB rush and containment.

On another note, unless it is Jonah, we better be not getting a #1WR next, no matter how bad we need him. That is FA or further down the draft list. We can play with the O we have at present. We can't play with our current D.

Qunicy Enunwa just got $36 million lol...I'm not touching a WR in FA this yr. People are gonna go nuts with how much some of these FA are gonna make and not being top end talent.

If Metcalf is 100% and tests well (I bet he does) you can't stick your nose up at the idea of taking him (trade down scenario). He's oozing with top end WR talent.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Teams usually only pay up for QBs historically. Also teams don't want to miss out on the true elite prospects by trading down.

only it happens all the time...especially when you already have elite talent at that position.

No it doesn't. Every draft the top 5 picks is the easiest to predict because the top 5 players get taken. The only position that throws a wrench is the QB position where the prospect may not be one of those "elite" players but because of supply and demand a team will come up to get him.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
100% this.

Also Thomas has improved recently. If he makes another jump next season he'll be lined up for a nice pay day as well.

Williams is a bad mofo, but for all these reasons I can't see us drafting him.

Then you still have Williams on a rookie contract for another 4 years and you trade Thomas elsewhere.

The more this gets tossed around the more interesting it gets.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
100% this.

Also Thomas has improved recently. If he makes another jump next season he'll be lined up for a nice pay day as well.

Williams is a bad mofo, but for all these reasons I can't see us drafting him.

Then you still have Williams on a rookie contract for another 4 years and you trade Thomas elsewhere.

I mean you act like its easy peasy to trade Thomas and his contract (which is pretty much guaranteed)

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean you act like its easy peasy to trade Thomas and his contract (which is pretty much guaranteed)

That is assuming that Thomas steps up and plays well, in which case, you'd have at least a few teams interested in acquiring a young lineman best suited to play 3T. n

Originally posted by 49ers808:
No it doesn't. Every draft the top 5 picks is the easiest to predict because the top 5 players get taken. The only position that throws a wrench is the QB position where the prospect may not be one of those "elite" players but because of supply and demand a team will come up to get him.

How many top 5 prospects go on to be the elite players from their draft? If that was the case the browns would have won a SB a while ago. Its not solely base on BPA it's BPA meshed in with need.

If Solly balls Williams may not see the field more than a 1 or 2 down nt. Don't assume your idea of playing him at strongside end all game is going to hold. If they think he's farther along than Q inside he'll play over him. See AA/ Day and Solly this past season.