Quinnen Williams, DT Alabama

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I mean you act like its easy peasy to trade Thomas and his contract (which is pretty much guaranteed)

That is assuming that Thomas steps up and plays well, in which case, you'd have at least a few teams interested in acquiring a young lineman best suited to play 3T. n

How's he gonna step up and play well when you just drafted QW and pushed Thomas to big end and basically made him a two down player?

Originally posted by NYniner85:
How many top 5 prospects go on to be the elite players from their draft? If that was the case the browns would have won a SB a while ago. Its not solely base on BPA it's BPA meshed in with need.

Your odds are obviously the highest but you still need to do a good job scouting. In this draft, its pretty clear that both Bosa and Williams jump off the screen as clearly elite prospects. They may both turn out to be average players, they may both turn out to be busts but I'd say they give you the best chance of acquiring true elite NFL players.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I mean you act like its easy peasy to trade Thomas and his contract (which is pretty much guaranteed)

That is assuming that Thomas steps up and plays well, in which case, you'd have at least a few teams interested in acquiring a young lineman best suited to play 3T. n

So you're saying draft another guy who will compete for snaps against two previous first rounders? It's just silly imo. Williams is a fantastic prospect, but he's a waste with us already having Buckner and Thomas. Not to mention other rotational players we've invested in. (Jones etc)

We may be taking Williams second, but it will be Jonah.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
So you're saying draft another guy who will compete for snaps against two previous first rounders? It's just silly imo. Williams is a fantastic prospect, but he's a waste with us already having Buckner and Thomas. Not to mention other rotational players we've invested in. (Jones etc)

We may be taking Williams second, but it will be Jonah.

Williams would be the nose tackle. Buckner who be the 3T. Thomas moves to big end and Armstead moves off the roster altogether.

Like I mentioned, I like Thomas, I liked Thomas a lot during the draft process, was happy that the 49ers drafted him but the odds are that he's never going to be a dominant pass rusher, a solid to good player but not someone you change your draft plans for.

If the 49ers are at #2, Bosa is gone and there are now good tradedown offers, then I am perfectly fine with the team taking the second best prospect in the draft, especially if they've already added a quality edge rusher via FA.

We may be taking Williams second, but it will be Jonah.

The concerns about his length and size could very drop him out of top 5 discussion, if not top 10. McShay in his latest board has him 12th. If he's going to have to move to guard in the NFL, you're not taking him #2, that is my major concern with him. Otherwise he's a fantastic linemen but Quenton Nelson was a legit generational "GENERATIONAL!" guard and he did't go Top 5.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Phoenix you're absolutely right, NY knows this because it's what he argued when he argued for Solomon Thomas, you won't get him to change his mind because he knows Quinnen signals the end of Solly.

I think it's unanimous that a trade is the preferred but unless you have an agenda you can't argue against the benefits of Quinnen Williams.

It takes big balls to admit when you were wrong, if this situation presents itself I hope Lynch is man enough to take Quinnen and trade Solly.

I like Thomas a lot, I also supported the team drafting him but based on what he's shown, he's never going to give you a whole lot as a pass rusher. I think he can be a solid player inside but if you think that Williams can be an All Pro level NT, Thomas, and especially Armstead, shouldn't even enter the equation. Thomas can play big end and do a very good job at that along with getting some snaps inside as part of a rotation. Armstead, can go somewhere else. He's best suited as a 3-4 DE and will never give you much as a pass rusher.

If you're drafting #2, unless some team blows you away with an amazing tradedown offer, you want to walk away with a GREAT player and to me, outside of Bosa, Williams gives you the best chance for a guy that can be great. You don't have to move him anywhere, you play him at nose tackle right alongside Buckner and let him do his thing.

This pretty much reflects where I stand. Starting with Armstead, I just cannot wrap my mind around him being a starter. Not on this defense. Good run defender, meh as a pass rusher. Trade him to a team that wants a two gapping 3-4 DE.

I think the big point that is being missed as that this is all a contingency plans. IF Bosa is gone and IF there are no great trade down offers, draft Q. Williams. Although I've already stated I'd take Jonah Williams as my plan C, this isn't a bad plan D :-)

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49ers808:

No it doesn't. Every draft the top 5 picks is the easiest to predict because the top 5 players get taken. The only position that throws a wrench is the QB position where the prospect may not be one of those "elite" players but because of supply and demand a team will come up to get him.

How many top 5 prospects go on to be the elite players from their draft? If that was the case the browns would have won a SB a while ago. Its not solely base on BPA it's BPA meshed in with need.

That's a different story. You said teams pass on elite talent all the time when they have talent at that position. I said they don't. Typically, aside from the QB position, the top 5 blue chip players in every draft gets taken in the top 5. Did Denver pass on Chubb? They have Von Miller and QB was clearly a bigger need.

Q. Williams may be a better overall prospect than Bosa. He has a shot to go #1 on talent alone. But I just can't see this team not using its first pick on someone who can rush the passer as their primary trait. We would have to have been exceptionally fortunate in FA for this to not happen.

Phoenix: what are they saying in cardinal land about who they take at 1?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Phoenix: what are they saying in cardinal land about who they take at 1?

Lots of fans and media people want a tradedown. Not many people are like "f**k YEAH BOSA!" People are mostly rooting for Haskins to blow up so they can trade down, acquire a bunch of picks and address some of the many pressing needs on the roster. OL and WR being the primary ones, especially if Fitzgerald retires as expected. They are rooting for as many QBs as possible to declare.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Phoenix: what are they saying in cardinal land about who they take at 1?

Bosa nearly across the board. A few for Oliver. A few for Williams. But almost unanimous for Bosa.

Per local radio.

Also, this: https://twitter.com/azcsports/status/1078300723824287744

Originally posted by okdkid:
Q. Williams may be a better overall prospect than Bosa. He has a shot to go #1 on talent alone. But I just can't see this team not using its first pick on someone who can rush the passer as their primary trait. We would have to have been exceptionally fortunate in FA for this to not happen.

Maybe, Allen shoots up draft boards after the combine and his pro day, but as of now Williams gets the nod at #2.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Phoenix: what are they saying in cardinal land about who they take at 1?

I'd like to know what they're saying as well because I keep getting triggered by these god damn AZ fans on my timeline.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Maybe, Allen shoots up draft boards after the combine and his pro day, but as of now Williams gets the nod at #2.

Having the team work with players at the Senior Bowl will be a huge plus, especially when it comes to a guy like Allen who is a pretty complete overall player but not the greatest pure pass rusher, likely best suited to play SAM.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Williams would be the nose tackle. Buckner who be the 3T. Thomas moves to big end and Armstead moves off the roster altogether.

Like I mentioned, I like Thomas, I liked Thomas a lot during the draft process, was happy that the 49ers drafted him but the odds are that he's never going to be a dominant pass rusher, a solid to good player but not someone you change your draft plans for.

If the 49ers are at #2, Bosa is gone and there are now good tradedown offers, then I am perfectly fine with the team taking the second best prospect in the draft, especially if they've already added a quality edge rusher via FA.

We may be taking Williams second, but it will be Jonah.

The concerns about his length and size could very drop him out of top 5 discussion, if not top 10. McShay in his latest board has him 12th. If he's going to have to move to guard in the NFL, you're not taking him #2, that is my major concern with him. Otherwise he's a fantastic linemen but Quenton Nelson was a legit generational "GENERATIONAL!" guard and he did't go Top 5.

Well McShay has us taking Gary so whatever lol

Originally posted by okdkid:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Phoenix: what are they saying in cardinal land about who they take at 1?

Bosa nearly across the board. A few for Oliver. A few for Williams. But almost unanimous for Bosa.

Per local radio.

You end Phoenix need to get your stories straight