Quinnen Williams, DT Alabama

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

I didn't want Solly two years ago. He was redundant to AA as QW will be to them. Hey if it only takes us 5 years to fill up two positions that only leaves 21 more to go.

We're not trying to fill up any positions, we're trying to out the best team we possibly can on the field.

You take a position off your draft board when you're set, QB & FB gone, 1st string TE, gone, RB close to gone. All over positions are on the table.

When you have an obvious deficiency (Edge Rush, Safety) that position gets a bump, but you can't just turn down studs for average players, gets you nowhere.

I'd argue Jonah, Allen, even Greedy right now are viable alternate picks. I haven't even looked at offense aside linemen yet either.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

You just continue to dodge my question. Was Thomas the BPA at a position of need?


How was big end without the ability to passrush plus a 2 down 3tech our biggest need?! We had no corners or FS at all at that point.

You keep downplaying AA yet he had more sacks and qb hits per game than Thomas has. AA was much more raw as well and Thomas was supposed to be a plug and play player. Don't give me the Thomas played outside hes had plenty of inside snaps and hes produced one sack this year... one. I believe that lone sack of his was a cleanup sack as well. The bigger impact wasn't going from AA to ST it was going from Mitchell to Jones. Not to mention we started playing worse offenses down the stretch. It's a joke you're claiming Thomas is the reason the whole defense is better acting like he is Justin Smith. He forced one double team you act like he is the cowboy it's embarrassing.

I like your posts but I think you're being hypocritical with this whole Thomas thing and it's now influencing your ability to think about this draft because you want to be proven right.

My main point: Passing on Quinnen Williams because he's not a need contradicts your thought that Thomas was a position of need with AA already on the team. You can't claim that AA did nothing so we needed an interior rusher than say Thomas has done something when the film and stats say AA was better first two years. It's deja vu all over again with Thomas in year two yet you're not ready to give up on him like you were AA.

One sack and you keep claiming he's an interior rusher. IDGAF if he played SS he should have more than one sack come on!

Lol I didn't dodge it at all read what I wrote

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

For starters it was only 2 years, AA racked up some really good pressures, took on double teams but was not productive, sound like anyone? Only real difference is injuries.

The arguments for drafting Q are exactly the same as your arguments for drafting Solly two years ago.

Look, I don't want another interior lineman, but I'm not ignoring value for the sake of Solomon Thomas, he simply hasn't earned that type of loyalty.

Lol so you're basically acting like how I was with Thomas two yrs ago with QW right now...gotcha

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

You just continue to dodge my question. Was Thomas the BPA at a position of need?


How was big end without the ability to passrush plus a 2 down 3tech our biggest need?! We had no corners or FS at all at that point.

You keep downplaying AA yet he had more sacks and qb hits per game than Thomas has. AA was much more raw as well and Thomas was supposed to be a plug and play player. Don't give me the Thomas played outside hes had plenty of inside snaps and hes produced one sack this year... one. I believe that lone sack of his was a cleanup sack as well. The bigger impact wasn't going from AA to ST it was going from Mitchell to Jones. Not to mention we started playing worse offenses down the stretch. It's a joke you're claiming Thomas is the reason the whole defense is better acting like he is Justin Smith. He forced one double team you act like he is the cowboy it's embarrassing.

I like your posts but I think you're being hypocritical with this whole Thomas thing and it's now influencing your ability to think about this draft because you want to be proven right.

My main point: Passing on Quinnen Williams because he's not a need contradicts your thought that Thomas was a position of need with AA already on the team. You can't claim that AA did nothing so we needed an interior rusher than say Thomas has done something when the film and stats say AA was better first two years. It's deja vu all over again with Thomas in year two yet you're not ready to give up on him like you were AA.

One sack and you keep claiming he's an interior rusher. IDGAF if he played SS he should have more than one sack come on!

Lol I didn't dodge it at all read what I wrote

So you said that draft experts said he was a top 5 talent so that means he was BPA at position of need.... Wow. Lots of insight there. It's a joke you can't admit he wasn't BPA at a position of need. You just know that you we're wrong about position importance and you can't admit it. I tried to tell you during that draft and now you're again applying that horrible philosophy to this one.

If anything you didn't read what I said cause you said twice that pro bowls don't mean anything and I agreed with you. But being the best SS in the NFL does and all you can say is that he had 1 turnover this year.

You're really grasping at straws and I truly dont understand why you want to hitch your wagon to Thomas. It's not gonna end well. You're right though let's just ignore superior talent cause we're loaded on this roster.

I don't understand why some people that didn't want Fitzpatrick because of redundancy and because he would have to project to a position he didn't play a lot in college, also want to draft QW. As long as Buckner is on the team he will never be playing his best position on base downs, not to mention AA, Thomas, Day, and Blair are all signed through at least 2020, and we drafted Street and Taylor as well last year.

As amazing as QW will probably be, I think the net positive to our team would be a lot smaller than upgrading our Edge, Corner, or Tackle (who will play Guard until Staley retires) Think about it this way, would you want the two best players on the team to be at the exact same position?

If Chip was our coach you still think people would be arguing for Solly? You can't look past that scheme change. The fact was most ppl thought AA was done here.

If Quinnen really is that good, why isn't Arizona talking about taking this guy?

If he posts elite numbers at the combine, I think it would be hard for them to go with Bosa just based on positional value.

Ideally, I'd take Williams in the first and trade up my 2nd pick for Burns or Polite if this is the direction we go in

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
If Quinnen really is that good, why isn't Arizona talking about taking this guy?

If he posts elite numbers at the combine, I think it would be hard for them to go with Bosa just based on positional value.

Ideally, I'd take Williams in the first and trade up my 2nd pick for Burns or Polite if this is the direction we go in

Just because AZ isn't talking much about him doesn't mean they're not interested.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Just because AZ isn't talking much about him doesn't mean they're not interested.

I guess not AZ specifically. But like, none of the fans or the internet guys are talking him up much compared to Bosa. If hes really hyped up to have Aaron Donald like traits, I'd take him first. Forget about positional value

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Just because AZ isn't talking much about him doesn't mean they're not interested.

I guess not AZ specifically. But like, none of the fans or the internet guys are talking him up much compared to Bosa. If hes really hyped up to have Aaron Donald like traits, I'd take him first. Forget about positional value

It's kind of like when the Texans had the first pick and went with Mario Williams instead of Reggie Bush. You didn't hear anything until a day or two before the draft - could be the same thing.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm also not gonna be pumped that we won a meaningless game in week 15 that pushed us out of getting a blue chip prospect at a position of massive need. The position some of us have is when talking to fans that said they'd prefer a win vs Seattle then having the #1 pick. At this pt who cares about that game? big deal...Seattle is still going to the playoffs and we still stink and are arguing over talking our 12th DT lol.

We won't really know if it meant anything until next season. Hopefully it will. For once, we will be carrying the same team into the following year (and in this case, it will be a better version of our team), so things theoretically should be better. But in all honesty, it could've been any one game that made the difference. If I had to trade one in, it would've been the Denver game lol.

Originally posted by 49ers808:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49ers808:
All of this wouldn't be happening if we lost to the Hawks and was sitting pretty in the #1 spot with Bosa in sight. But woooohooo guys, why are we not talking about that game and how great it still feels that we won, man I question if we are true fans. Clearly our 5 game win streak carried over from last season to this one and that Seahawk win will do the same next season and have a much bigger and better impact than Bosa would

No it wouldn't be happening if we lost to the Seahawks (or the Broncos, or the Raiders, or the Vikings for that matter). But what was the team supposed to do, go out and lose purposely? What should Kyle Shanahan have done? What should the players have done?

Or maybe your issue is with fans being happy over breaking a 10-game losing streak? Yeah, I still wish we had the number 1 pick for Bosa. I'm not about to be pissed for weeks/months/years because my team won. Moving on. Same thing with the Myles Garrett deal from a few years ago. I just don't get where people who have this position are coming from because either you think the team should lose on purpose OR fans should just stay pissed because they won't have the number 1 overall pick.

Hit a nerve? I'm joking braddah relax. I was of the rooting for a loss fan club though because the #1 pick would do more for ME as a fan than a meaningless win. I know coaches, players, etc.. never play to lose

Not at all. I'm not one of the ones on the ledge because of the result of a game which sent us on an irreversible path filled with edge rushers who can't create pressure and QBs being comfortable in the pocket for the next five eons lol. This is how some of this stuff is coming across. Granted, the whole what the Seattle victory means thing can be just as bad. But it is what it is. I'm excited and it makes for interesting drama. I want to see what this team will do. Even if we get lucky and get Bosa, that still isn't enough. I want to see if Lynch and the FO can really put together a team Kyle can run with. I don't think all is lost if Bosa isn't one of those players.

Originally posted by flynhayn15:

I don't understand why some people that didn't want Fitzpatrick because of redundancy and because he would have to project to a position he didn't play a lot in college, also want to draft QW. As long as Buckner is on the team he will never be playing his best position on base downs, not to mention AA, Thomas, Day, and Blair are all signed through at least 2020, and we drafted Street and Taylor as well last year.

As amazing as QW will probably be, I think the net positive to our team would be a lot smaller than upgrading our Edge, Corner, or Tackle (who will play Guard until Staley retires) Think about it this way, would you want the two best players on the team to be at the exact same position?

Not in the slightest (in fact the main proponent of that argument is dead against QW) I would have taken Fitzpatrick if we believed he graded out better than the guys around him, I was convinced Roquan would be available and would be a better player. I didn't fall for the, choose Landry because we're desperate for edge help.

For me QW is simply the best player likely to be available if we can't trade.

The position thing is moot, he plays NT loads, and in our scheme there's not a lot of difference, (isn't asked to eat two gaps) plus that would only be a factor on the % of downs our SAM plays (about 33%) all other downs he could play 3T in either our passing or Snickel defense.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

For starters it was only 2 years, AA racked up some really good pressures, took on double teams but was not productive, sound like anyone? Only real difference is injuries.

The arguments for drafting Q are exactly the same as your arguments for drafting Solly two years ago.

Look, I don't want another interior lineman, but I'm not ignoring value for the sake of Solomon Thomas, he simply hasn't earned that type of loyalty.

Lol so you're basically acting like how I was with Thomas two yrs ago with QW right now...gotcha

No, you were all about positional value in our argument, I was trying to find the best player for us. I argued it was Hooker (which was probably also wrong, though I still think he makes an impact on QB's decision making).

Fact is that if he hadn't played well and Deionte Thompson was the clear BPA and we couldn't trade, I'd be happy if we drafted him and traded Hooker.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

No, you were all about positional value in our argument, I was trying to find the best player for us. I argued it was Hooker (which was probably also wrong, though I still think he makes an impact on QB's decision making).

Fact is that if he hadn't played well and Deionte Thompson was the clear BPA and we couldn't trade, I'd be happy if we drafted him and traded Hooker.

How about we just hope Bosa either drops to us or we can move down

If QW is the pick I'll deal with it, I'm not gonna argue with you for 4 months about it lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

No, you were all about positional value in our argument, I was trying to find the best player for us. I argued it was Hooker (which was probably also wrong, though I still think he makes an impact on QB's decision making).

Fact is that if he hadn't played well and Deionte Thompson was the clear BPA and we couldn't trade, I'd be happy if we drafted him and traded Hooker.

How about we just hope Bosa either drops to us or we can move down

If QW is the pick I'll deal with it, I'm not gonna argue with you for 4 months about it lol