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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Depends on how they internally feel about Rosen. They can feel that Rosen will be great in the new system as well and we can add a dominant defensive player next to Chandler Jones.

Kliff likes to play 11 on 11 football...he wants his qb to be able to be a threat in the running game.

There's been reports tha Rosen has rubbed people the wrong way in the locker room and the fact that he hasn't even been around the team...

Behind all of this is the worst-kept secret in media: Rosen was never fired up about moving to and living in Arizona, from the moment he was drafted until now. From what we've heard, we don't believe those feelings have manifested themselves in his attitude or work ethic in season - Kingsbury praised his toughness and resiliency in the face of adversity on the field many times in his Combine presser - but now that the season is over, Rosen's attention has turned to a bevy of offseason activities that don't necessarily incorporate copious amounts of football into his routine.

They need to put asses in the seats...

Owner Michael Bidwill likes him a lot, and especially likes the idea that Murray's exhilarating style of play will put fans back in the seats, something that was an issue last year as a losing campaign endured

Still, one motivation has trumped all. There is increasing pressure from ownership in Arizona to make a move that will be perceived as a splash, even to the point of rendering null their first round franchise quarterback from a year ago. It is no secret that Bidwill has always been a very hands-on owner, and this situation has brought that into focus more than ever before. It's not fair to say Arizona's decision-makers are divided on the prospect of drafting Murray, but Bidwill has been a late-driving force behind their interest in the Oklahoma quarterback. Still, nothing has been set in stone just yet, so here we are, waiting for a trade that seems to be becoming more inevitable by the day.

And to add to that

Former NFL GM Scot McCloughan said he has heard that the Arizona Cardinals will select Oklahoma QB Kyler Murray.

http://johnkeimreport.libsyn.com/john-keim-report-5

Originally posted by glorydayz:

QW is a true game changer, I think it will be hard for us to pass on him #2 overall.

I was listening to the greatb Willie Mcginest the other day talk about what the 49ers should do. He said draft Quinnen Williams to pair with Buckner and dominate the line of scrimmage every single snap. The Greek looking guy on NFL network brought up the 49ers have drafted DL in the 1st round three out of four years. Willie smiled and and looked at him, "you do it again!"

Originally posted by Ark49er:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

QW is a true game changer, I think it will be hard for us to pass on him #2 overall.

I was listening to the greatb Willie Mcginest the other day talk about what the 49ers should do. He said draft Quinnen Williams to pair with Buckner and dominate the line of scrimmage every single snap. The Greek looking guy on NFL network brought up the 49ers have drafted DL in the 1st round three out of four years. Willie smiled and and looked at him, "you do it again!"

I do think we would draft QW if Bosa is gone. It basically negates: Street, Jones, half of AA and Thomas but he's probably better than all of them week one. Damn, maybe they should go for Allen instead. Lol

It's tough man. I know QW is going to be wicked, but I don't know.....

It has become draft fact that the Arizona Cardinals will select Kyler Murray with the No. 1 overall pick and just figure things out later when it comes to how they'll handle Josh Rosen and possibly trading the quarterback they took with a top-10 pick last year.

Not so fast my friends. CBS Sports Senior NFL Writer Pete Prisco joined me on the Pick Six Podcast Friday and told me the latest buzz out of Arizona has the Cardinals going in a different direction with the first-overall pick.

"I'm starting to get more and more feeling from around people in the know that I don't think it's going to be Murray No. 1 overall," Prisco said.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/pick-six-podcast-why-cardinals-are-moving-away-from-taking-kyler-murray-no-1-overall-might-go-with-surprising-choice/

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...but the real question is - does Prisco have enough followers? lol

Originally posted by 4ML:
It has become draft fact that the Arizona Cardinals will select Kyler Murray with the No. 1 overall pick and just figure things out later when it comes to how they'll handle Josh Rosen and possibly trading the quarterback they took with a top-10 pick last year.

Not so fast my friends. CBS Sports Senior NFL Writer Pete Prisco joined me on the Pick Six Podcast Friday and told me the latest buzz out of Arizona has the Cardinals going in a different direction with the first-overall pick.

"I'm starting to get more and more feeling from around people in the know that I don't think it's going to be Murray No. 1 overall," Prisco said.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/pick-six-podcast-why-cardinals-are-moving-away-from-taking-kyler-murray-no-1-overall-might-go-with-surprising-choice/

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...but the real question is - does Prisco have enough followers? lol

Originally posted by 4ML:

It has become draft fact that the Arizona Cardinals will select Kyler Murray with the No. 1 overall pick and just figure things out later when it comes to how they'll handle Josh Rosen and possibly trading the quarterback they took with a top-10 pick last year.

Not so fast my friends. CBS Sports Senior NFL Writer Pete Prisco joined me on the Pick Six Podcast Friday and told me the latest buzz out of Arizona has the Cardinals going in a different direction with the first-overall pick.

"I'm starting to get more and more feeling from around people in the know that I don't think it's going to be Murray No. 1 overall," Prisco said.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/pick-six-podcast-why-cardinals-are-moving-away-from-taking-kyler-murray-no-1-overall-might-go-with-surprising-choice/

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...but the real question is - does Prisco have enough followers? lol

There's no doubt in my mind that the Cardinals will take Murray. Why would the Cardinals give us the chance to trade down for a massive haul like the Rams got years back. That would sway the division forever, certainly if their worried about us getting Bosa wouldn't getting multiple first round picks be worse?

Not to mention Bosa isn't even a great fit for a 3-4. If Allen and Bosa are as close as some people say, wouldn't Allen with his coverage ability be the better pick for them? Or even QW?

All I know is that Bosa should make it to our pick.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
There's no doubt in my mind that the Cardinals will take Murray. Why would the Cardinals give us the chance to trade down for a massive haul like the Rams got years back.

After the combine many had him around 13th to the Dolphins.

Just wondering what has changed since then to where he is worth a massive haul??

He could still get bored after a couple years and go back to baseball.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

There's no doubt in my mind that the Cardinals will take Murray. Why would the Cardinals give us the chance to trade down for a massive haul like the Rams got years back.

After the combine many had him around 13th to the Dolphins.

Just wondering what has changed since then to where he is worth a massive haul??

He could still get bored after a couple years and go back to baseball.

Also post combine many had him go to the Cardinals? Not sure what's the point there.

If you follow the draft every year QBs get more and more hyped up no matter where they should really go. Teams without a QB will pay high prices to trade up for the one they think can be a franchise QB.

All Kyler Murray did was probably have the greatest single season any college player has ever had while going on to win the Heisman. If you don't think teams would trade up for that I don't think you been paying attention to recent drafts.

I think it's very very unlikely Murray switches to baseball. He would have to wait years in a farm system and then there still is maybe a 50-50 chance he actually gets a good baseball contract. Those aren't great odds. Not to mention I believe, like most people, football is just more fun to play... especially if you can play QB for an NFL team.

There's no reason to believe we wouldn't get a huge haul for Kyler Murray.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 4ML:
It has become draft fact that the Arizona Cardinals will select Kyler Murray with the No. 1 overall pick and just figure things out later when it comes to how they'll handle Josh Rosen and possibly trading the quarterback they took with a top-10 pick last year.

Not so fast my friends. CBS Sports Senior NFL Writer Pete Prisco joined me on the Pick Six Podcast Friday and told me the latest buzz out of Arizona has the Cardinals going in a different direction with the first-overall pick.

"I'm starting to get more and more feeling from around people in the know that I don't think it's going to be Murray No. 1 overall," Prisco said.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/pick-six-podcast-why-cardinals-are-moving-away-from-taking-kyler-murray-no-1-overall-might-go-with-surprising-choice/

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...but the real question is - does Prisco have enough followers? lol

Why would the Cardinals give us the chance to trade down for a massive haul like the Rams got years back. That would sway the division forever, certainly if their worried about us getting Bosa wouldn't getting multiple first round picks be worse?

Not to mention Bosa isn't even a great fit for a 3-4.

I don't know...maybe Cardinals don't want to move too far back? Maybe Giants aren't interested in Murray and Raiders have realized that Cardinals only want a trade down with Raiders and therefore Raiders aren't offering a massive haul?

Maybe Cardinals think that they're better off taking either Bosa or Q. All I am saying - ppl have already set their mind that Cardinals will draft Murray and now there is enough noise/smoke that Cardinals may pick between Bosa or Q.

As for your second point - if you're bringing in Bosa and Q in for visits with 2 and a half weeks left in the draft - I think you believe that both of them fit. These visits are priceless and you don't waste them at this point if you think they don't even fit your defense. At this point - you're tryin' to figure out their character, work ethic, personality and love for the game (which requires several meetings to figure out).

Originally posted by zonkers:
I thought you'd bring this up a couple weeks earlier when the preseason news came out.

I was hoping you would've missed this

I did manage to get one good poster to fall for it tho

QW or Bosa would be awesome to have...draft is taking its sweet ass time.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

There's no doubt in my mind that the Cardinals will take Murray. Why would the Cardinals give us the chance to trade down for a massive haul like the Rams got years back. That would sway the division forever, certainly if their worried about us getting Bosa wouldn't getting multiple first round picks be worse?

Not to mention Bosa isn't even a great fit for a 3-4. If Allen and Bosa are as close as some people say, wouldn't Allen with his coverage ability be the better pick for them? Or even QW?

All I know is that Bosa should make it to our pick.

Why wouldn't they trade down if there was a massive haul to be had?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
There's no doubt in my mind that the Cardinals will take Murray. Why would the Cardinals give us the chance to trade down for a massive haul like the Rams got years back. That would sway the division forever, certainly if their worried about us getting Bosa wouldn't getting multiple first round picks be worse?

Not to mention Bosa isn't even a great fit for a 3-4. If Allen and Bosa are as close as some people say, wouldn't Allen with his coverage ability be the better pick for them? Or even QW?

All I know is that Bosa should make it to our pick.

Why wouldn't they trade down if there was a massive haul to be had?

This is how I feel.

There is no way to know what is really going on...but all I am saying is - from reading everything that is reported - looks like Cardinals used Kliff's words to create a buzz and a potential massive offer from Raiders or Giants for no. 1 pick. Giants seem to be more interested in Haskins and Raiders seem to have called their bluff.

That's just my opinion. I could be totally off and Cardinals probably make a trade with Raiders tomorrow for a massive haul lol.

Who knows at this point with all the smokescreen and reports...but I can't say that I am certain that Murray will go no. 1. I think there is a real possibility that Cardinals will draft either Bosa or Q with no.1 pick.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Also post combine many had him go to the Cardinals? Not sure what's the point there.

If you follow the draft every year QBs get more and more hyped up no matter where they should really go. Teams without a QB will pay high prices to trade up for the one they think can be a franchise QB.

All Kyler Murray did was probably have the greatest single season any college player has ever had while going on to win the Heisman. If you don't think teams would trade up for that I don't think you been paying attention to recent drafts.

I think it's very very unlikely Murray switches to baseball. He would have to wait years in a farm system and then there still is maybe a 50-50 chance he actually gets a good baseball contract. Those aren't great odds. Not to mention I believe, like most people, football is just more fun to play... especially if you can play QB for an NFL team.

There's no reason to believe we wouldn't get a huge haul for Kyler Murray.

Since Arizona has the 1st pick they already likely know what offers are coming in for Murray. Their phone line is open. It really doesn't make sense that Murray falls to 2 and then all the sudden a team calls in with a boat load of picks.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Also post combine many had him go to the Cardinals? Not sure what's the point there.

If you follow the draft every year QBs get more and more hyped up no matter where they should really go. Teams without a QB will pay high prices to trade up for the one they think can be a franchise QB.

All Kyler Murray did was probably have the greatest single season any college player has ever had while going on to win the Heisman. If you don't think teams would trade up for that I don't think you been paying attention to recent drafts.

I think it's very very unlikely Murray switches to baseball. He would have to wait years in a farm system and then there still is maybe a 50-50 chance he actually gets a good baseball contract. Those aren't great odds. Not to mention I believe, like most people, football is just more fun to play... especially if you can play QB for an NFL team.

There's no reason to believe we wouldn't get a huge haul for Kyler Murray.

Since Arizona has the 1st pick they already likely know what offers are coming in for Murray. Their phone line is open. It really doesn't make sense that Murray falls to 2 and then all the sudden a team calls in with a boat load of picks.

All you have to know is if Murray is their guy... he will be the pick. Teams know that and they will call their bluff. They know if the Cardinals want Murray they won't realistically trade down for anything besides some insane offer.

So if the Cardinals are really trying to trade down then that means he's not their guy. You don't risk the future of your QB position for an extra 3rd round pick during negotiations. You just don't do that knowing you have a franchise QB that fits your new head coach, that helps your offensive line tremendously, and had the greatest single season of any player in college history. That's why I believe the 49ers are in the drivers seat to trade down, if Murray isn't the pick.

But since I do think the Cardinals aren't trading down and will draft Murray. Teams will call the Jets and most likely they will be the ones trading down. There are already reports that the Jets are poised to do that.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

All you have to know is if Murray is their guy... he will be the pick. Teams know that and they will call their bluff. They know if the Cardinals want Murray they won't realistically trade down for anything besides some insane offer.

So if the Cardinals are really trying to trade down then that means he's not their guy. You don't risk the future of your QB position for an extra 3rd round pick during negotiations. You just don't do that knowing you have a franchise QB that fits your new head coach, that helps your offensive line tremendously, and had the greatest single season of any player in college history. That's why I believe the 49ers are in the drivers seat to trade down, if Murray isn't the pick.

But since I do think the Cardinals aren't trading down and will draft Murray. Teams will call the Jets and most likely they will be the ones trading down. There are already reports that the Jets are poised to do that.

Some of this I agree with but I don't see how it gets to your point that Arz will take Murray in fear we'll trade down with a boat load of picks. We're in the exact same boat as them. If Arz can't find the boat load of picks for Murray neither can we. Oakland is the team to jump and that makes the Jets the least value trading spot. If a team is willing to give up the mega haul for Murray they'll call Arz 1st as that's the only spot that ensures you get him.

They aren't going to draft with us in mind anyways because that's just dumb. You do what it takes to build your own team but my point was they already likely know how much Murray is worth to everyone before they take or pass on him.