Quinnen Williams, DT Alabama

Would rather have Ford and Bosa rushing from the edge and Buck and Thomas rushing from the inside.

Originally posted by mayo49:
Would rather have Ford and Bosa rushing from the edge and Buck and Thomas rushing from the inside.

Maybe, IF Bosa can stay healthy ... IF Solomon can improve ... IF QW doesn't become an all-pro = a lot of IF's
Bosa is a short-term better fit, but QW is more of a long-term sure thing

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Would rather have Ford and Bosa rushing from the edge and Buck and Thomas rushing from the inside.

Maybe, IF Bosa can stay healthy ... IF Solomon can improve ... IF QW doesn't become an all-pro = a lot of IF's
Bosa is a short-term better fit, but QW is more of a long-term sure thing

Why would Bosa be a short-term fit? He's only 21.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

Originally posted by mayo49:
Would rather have Ford and Bosa rushing from the edge and Buck and Thomas rushing from the inside.

Maybe, IF Bosa can stay healthy ... IF Solomon can improve ... IF QW doesn't become an all-pro = a lot of IF's
Bosa is a short-term better fit, but QW is more of a long-term sure thing

Why would Bosa be a short-term fit? He's only 21.

Bosa would come right in and be a great fit right away = like I said "a better short-term fit". But Bosa is already almost maxxed out so he wouldn't improve much, has lower upside potential, and is more likely to be injured with time than QW.
QW on the other hand isn't a perfect short-term fit but in the longer term would likely be the better player.

At Alabama last season, Williams recorded eight sacks and 71 tackles (19.5 for loss). If we look deeper, we see that, despite being double-teamed at the highest rate in the SEC, he was the most effective interior defender BOTH at stopping the run (42 stops, most among interior defenders, per Pro Football Focus) and defending the pass (56 pressures per PFF, also the most in his position group). As I told you, I create a multi-season model, and Williams has a top-five rating in the sample for his position compared to the projections of past players. Remember also that, as passing -- especially quick passing -- becomes more prevalent, the value of this position rises. Williams' multiple capabilities would help the Cardinals address their league-worst red-zone passer rating and completion percentage
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001025384/article/analyticsbased-mock-draft-quinnen-williams-to-cards-qbs-fall

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Would rather have Ford and Bosa rushing from the edge and Buck and Thomas rushing from the inside.

Maybe, IF Bosa can stay healthy ... IF Solomon can improve ... IF QW doesn't become an all-pro = a lot of IF's
Bosa is a short-term better fit, but QW is more of a long-term sure thing

Why would Bosa be a short-term fit? He's only 21.

Bosa would come right in and be a great fit right away = like I said "a better short-term fit". But Bosa is already almost maxxed out so he wouldn't improve much, has lower upside potential, and is more likely to be injured with time than QW.
QW on the other hand isn't a perfect short-term fit but in the longer term would likely be the better player.

Semantics. Bosa is also considered an elite edge prospect so if his "max" is double digit sacks every year I'll buy in a heartbeat.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Would rather have Ford and Bosa rushing from the edge and Buck and Thomas rushing from the inside.

Same

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

Bosa would come right in and be a great fit right away = like I said "a better short-term fit". But Bosa is already almost maxxed out so he wouldn't improve much, has lower upside potential, and is more likely to be injured with time than QW.
QW on the other hand isn't a perfect short-term fit but in the longer term would likely be the better player.

Why is he maxed out? Because he's already technically sound? Dude is like 2 months older than Q. He's more than athletic enough and you can always improve.

Saying someone is more likely to be injured is a straight up assumption and nothing more. Q is the one currently recovering from hand surgery.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Semantics. Bosa is also considered an elite edge prospect so if his "max" is double digit sacks every year I'll buy in a heartbeat.

Right?

Originally posted by BuZzB05:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by BuZzB05:

Pass on Quinnen Williams and Nick Bosa!!

Who else do you pick at #2?

Trade down to Giants # 6 to draft at Montez Sweat! I want to more picks and need help our build by upgrade team.

I'll puke in my mouth if we trade back to #6 for Sweat and something stupid like a few 2nds.

Originally posted by illinois9er:

I'll puke in my mouth if we trade back to #6 for Sweat and something stupid like a few 2nds.

Same, I also don't see us making a deal with Oakland or NY after they basically told us to piss off with Mack/OBJ

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

I'll puke in my mouth if we trade back to #6 for Sweat and something stupid like a few 2nds.

Same, I also don't see us making a deal with Oakland or NY after they basically told us to piss off with Mack/OBJ

OR, we ask for a kings ransom if the Cards take Bosa and they want Murray.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

I'll puke in my mouth if we trade back to #6 for Sweat and something stupid like a few 2nds.

Same, I also don't see us making a deal with Oakland or NY after they basically told us to piss off with Mack/OBJ

Yeah I was listening to a podcast the other day, don't remember which, and they said pretty much the same thing. I just know I'm going to be pretty pissed IF we pass on Bosa and Quinnen and don't end up with multiple 1sts.

So it's safe to assume Q is a future all pro but bosa has maxed out already.


OKAY

Originally posted by rathman4481:

So it's safe to assume Q is a future all pro but bosa has maxed out already.


OKAY

Who said that? Its pretty reasonable to believe that a guy with only one year of starting experience and the sort of athleticism that he possesses still has quite a bit more possible improvement to take.


Bosa is closer to being a finished product than Williams, that is all.