Quinnen Williams, DT Alabama

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

Why do you assume that? Bosa never had double digit sacks in college. His best year he played 14 games and only had 8.5 sacks and 16 TFL. Nick is over-rated. Nick is not as good as Joey, and he's not as good as QW

Nick Bosa stats:
Year Games Sacks TFL Tackles
2016 12 5 7 29
2017 14 8.5 16 34
2018 4 4 6 14

QW stats:
2018 12 8 19.5 71

QW only year starting. In one year QW had almost as many tackles as Bosa did in his career and as many sacks as Bosa's best year and more TFL's.

And go look up snap counts and how many qb pressures Bosa got.



If we're looking at stats we drafted someone with the same stats a Q, who was more athletic, and was also 21.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/solomon-thomas-2.html

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

Exactly. If they think QW is elite they should take him. If not, they should trade down or take Bosa

Or just take Bosa who's elite in his own right, plays a more impactful position, and is by far a bigger need

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:
Why do you assume that? Bosa never had double digit sacks in college. His best year he played 14 games and only had 8.5 sacks and 16 TFL. Nick is over-rated. Nick is not as good as Joey, and he's not as good as QW

Nick Bosa stats:
Year Games Sacks TFL Tackles
2016 12 ....... 5 ........ 7 ..... 29
2017 14 ....... 8.5 .....16 .... 34
2018 4 ........ 4 ......... 6 ..... 14

QW stats:
2018 12 ..... 8 ........ 19.5 ...71

QW only year starting. In one year QW had almost as many tackles as Bosa did in his career and as many sacks as Bosa's best year and more TFL's.

And go look up snap counts and how many qb pressures Bosa got.



If we're looking at stats we drafted someone with the same stats a Q, who was more athletic, and was also 21.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/solomon-thomas-2.html

Of course stats don't tell the whole story, just one simple argument on a draft discussion forum.
But this love for Bosa is way overboard. He's not as good as Joey and Joey isn't that great. And one indicator of that shows that is his stats. Stats are not the final measure or course, just one small indicator so people don't shoot themselves when the 49ers pass on Bosa.

PS. BTW Solomon's stats were not as good as QW and he was 35 pounds lighter

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:
Exactly. If they think QW is elite they should take him. If not, they should trade down or take Bosa

Or just take Bosa who's elite in his own right, plays a more impactful position, and is by far a bigger need

Sure, they should take whomever they think is elite, but not because they have a need at EDGE. I don't think Bosa is 'elite'

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by BuZzB05:

Trade down to Giants # 6 to draft at Montez Sweat! I want to more picks and need help our build by upgrade team.

I'll puke in my mouth if we trade back to #6 for Sweat and something stupid like a few 2nds.

Sweat might be better than Bosa in 2-3 years

I might start going out with Kate Beckinsale this year too but I doubt it.

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

Sure, they should take whomever they think is elite, but not because they have a need at EDGE. I don't think Bosa is 'elite'

I do, cool....also teams draft in most part BPA based on position of need.

QW and Bosa are in tier 1

The reason you consider need is you got to factor in how they'll be used. How the team will play as a unit.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by genus49:

He's still 21, he's still only doing what the coaches he's had have taught him which if you read the article which talks to his dad you'll understand that it wasn't like John Bosa was coaching them up with all there is to know about pass rushing. Both Joey and Nick took huge steps forward as pass rushers with the coaching at OSU. The idea that Nick is maxed out is absurd.

He's 21. Still plenty of room to improve.

17 of the 32 1st rounders last year were 21 or younger.

100's of kids the last several years alone have left school and headed to the NFL Draft @ or under 21. Many of them have shown no improvement,....many of them weren't even drafted to begin with.

In short, there is no correlation whatsoever (in comparison to other draft candidates) of being 21 and having room to improve.

They're virtually all young!! Some improve, some dont.

So once again Quinnen at 21 is most certainly only going to get better while Bosa is maxed out at 21...

We go straight to the Super Bowl if we pick Quinnen Williams. No stops in between. You don't pass on Aaron Donald for an injured edge rusher. No way.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

We go straight to the Super Bowl if we pick Quinnen Williams. No stops in between. You don't pass on Aaron Donald for an injured edge rusher. No way.

One of those 2 is injured right now and his name isn't Bosa.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We go straight to the Super Bowl if we pick Quinnen Williams. No stops in between. You don't pass on Aaron Donald for an injured edge rusher. No way.

One of those 2 is injured right now and his name isn't Bosa.

His finger is hurt and it's healing. He is ready by training camp. No big deal. Further he played with it last season and he was still collapsing the pocket and disruptive. Bosa has not proven he can go through a season healthy and productive both. He has never really done both. QW and we go to the Super Bowl. Book your tickets!

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

Originally posted by genus49:

Your opinion is based on what though? Sack totals at OSU? And Joey Bosa is an elite player, he just hasn't been able to stay healthy enough to put up the insane numbers but any elite player can get hurt.

You make the point, that's a big problem, just ask Baalke. Bosa will play at a bulked up ~270 lbs and is more fragile. QW will play at a natural 310 and is more likely to stay healthy

Bosa isn't coming off major injury like the Baalke picks. And who said Bosa needs to gain weight and you think adding 4 lbs somehow is a huge change for him? Dude ran an elite 10 yard split at 266. The idea that he's maxed out is b******t. Solomon Thomas put up some crazy numbers. Quinnen is a stud prospect but he wouldn't be the first blue chip prospect with great potential to never hit that potential. If we're gonna swing then may as well hit a huge need on a position which costs major bucks and is hard to find.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

We go straight to the Super Bowl if we pick Quinnen Williams. No stops in between. You don't pass on Aaron Donald for an injured edge rusher. No way.

One of those 2 is injured right now and his name isn't Bosa.

His finger is hurt and it's healing. He is ready by training camp. No big deal. Further he played with it last season and he was still collapsing the pocket and disruptive. Bosa has not proven he can go through a season healthy and productive both. He has never really done both. QW and we go to the Super Bowl. Book your tickets!

What does one call 2016 and 2017 ? He was healthy and produced in his assigned role as a rotational end. Cannot fault the player for how OSU coaches choose to rotate linemen.

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

QW could play DE on base downs and move inside to DT in nickel

Base Downs:
Armstead / K Street
Buckner
Solomon / K Street
QW

Nickel Downs:
Dee Ford
Buckner
QW
Ezekiel Ansah??? options for nickel pass rusher = FA / draft pick (D3 or D4) / K Street / Armstead

Mid round EDGE / SAM draft options: Maxx Crosby / Christian Miller / Oshane Ximines, etc
FA Options: Ansah, Nick Perry, etc

This is even better....perfect example of why we need to take Bosa cuz I'm afraid our DC may have similar thoughts.

Why don't you like? They move the great players (like QW) around to both DT and DE to find mismatches and keep the Oline off-balance.

Because we fell into issues with Thomas? Quinnen isn't a DE. Playing him there would hurt his production and I'm so done with taking guys who excel at one spot to move them to another...which is why I want Bosa. I'm ok taking a lesser player for his respective position due to the importance of that position.

For instance who would you rather have Julio Jones or Matt Ryan if starting a team? Julio is a much better WR than Ryan is a QB but the positional value is too important to team success to pass....unless you're crazy 😜

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
We go straight to the Super Bowl if we pick Quinnen Williams. No stops in between. You don't pass on Aaron Donald for an injured edge rusher. No way.

One of those 2 is injured right now and his name isn't Bosa.

His finger is hurt and it's healing. He is ready by training camp. No big deal. Further he played with it last season and he was still collapsing the pocket and disruptive. Bosa has not proven he can go through a season healthy and productive both. He has never really done both. QW and we go to the Super Bowl. Book your tickets!

What does one call 2016 and 2017 ? He was healthy and produced in his assigned role as a rotational end. Cannot fault the player for how OSU coaches choose to rotate linemen.

He didn't put up real good numbers. Never in his career. Josh Allen has much better numbers.