Quinnen Williams, DT Alabama

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by MK_Ultra:

Why do you assume that? Bosa never had double digit sacks in college. His best year he played 14 games and only had 8.5 sacks and 16 TFL. Nick is over-rated. Nick is not as good as Joey, and he's not as good as QW

Nick Bosa stats:
Year Games Sacks TFL Tackles
2016 12 ....... 5 ........ 7 ..... 29
2017 14 ....... 8.5 .....16 .... 34
2018 4 ........ 4 ......... 6 ..... 14

QW stats:
2018 12 ..... 8 ........ 19.5 ...71

QW only year starting. In one year QW had almost as many tackles as Bosa did in his career and as many sacks as Bosa's best year and more TFL's.

And go look up snap counts and how many qb pressures Bosa got.



If we're looking at stats we drafted someone with the same stats a Q, who was more athletic, and was also 21.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/solomon-thomas-2.html

Of course stats don't tell the whole story, just one simple argument on a draft discussion forum.
But this love for Bosa is way overboard. He's not as good as Joey and Joey isn't that great. And one indicator of that shows that is his stats. Stats are not the final measure or course, just one small indicator so people don't shoot themselves when the 49ers pass on Bosa.

PS. BTW Solomon's stats were not as good as QW and he was 35 pounds lighter

No reason to compare Thomas to Quinnen. QW is a way better prospect than Sully. Unfortunately this isn't 2017 and our roster is different and the needs are different. If we had Myles Garrett on this roster then QW is a no brainer pick. We have Thomas and numerous other players better suited to play inside.

At some point you have to address other positions and let your guys develop or step up.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

We go straight to the Super Bowl if we pick Quinnen Williams. No stops in between. You don't pass on Aaron Donald for an injured edge rusher. No way.

One of those 2 is injured right now and his name isn't Bosa.

His finger is hurt and it's healing. He is ready by training camp. No big deal. Further he played with it last season and he was still collapsing the pocket and disruptive. Bosa has not proven he can go through a season healthy and productive both. He has never really done both. QW and we go to the Super Bowl. Book your tickets!

What does one call 2016 and 2017 ? He was healthy and produced in his assigned role as a rotational end. Cannot fault the player for how OSU coaches choose to rotate linemen.

He didn't put up real good numbers. Never in his career. Josh Allen has much better numbers.

His numbers were fine given the role he had as a freshman and sophomore. And tape shows a player who was growing into a better player each year he was there before his season ended last year.

But I get it, you made up your mind already on who you want. I would be good with either guy but prefer Bosa.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Q is 21 years old and won't turn 22 till December 2019.
Aaron Donald was a month away his 23rd b'day when drafted.

Played 4 years in college...played DT every year
Q played 1 year at DT

They play a different style but at age 21...Q is a better DT. Not pass-rusher, not run stopper....just overall - he's a better player.

And I disagree

lol you can disagree all you want but it is a fact that Q is 1 and a half year younger than Donald when they declared for draft and Q will go a lot higher than Donald did.

Q hasn't even played this position for too long.

Q is something else.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Q is 21 years old and won't turn 22 till December 2019.
Aaron Donald was a month away his 23rd b'day when drafted.

Played 4 years in college...played DT every year
Q played 1 year at DT

They play a different style but at age 21...Q is a better DT. Not pass-rusher, not run stopper....just overall - he's a better player.

And I disagree

lol you can disagree all you want but it is a fact that Q is 1 and a half year younger than Donald when they declared for draft and Q will go a lot higher than Donald did.

Q hasn't even played this position for too long.

Q is something else.

QW is not Donald. People need to stop this crap.

Donald put up 11 sacks as a sophomore at Pitt and he didn't have nearly the talent around him Q had at Bama. And Donald got much better after getting into the NFL.

Why Quinnen Williams is the best DT prospect since Aaron Donald

Originally posted by genus49:

QW is not Donald. People need to stop this crap.

Donald put up 11 sacks as a sophomore at Pitt and he didn't have nearly the talent around him Q had at Bama. And Donald got much better after getting into the NFL.

Agrred. Donald has a body that no other dt has. That's the only reason he fell. If you look at his play in college it's out of this world. You look at his combine numbers again out of this world.

Originally posted by 4ML:

lol you can disagree all you want but it is a fact that Q is 1 and a half year younger than Donald when they declared for draft and Q will go a lot higher than Donald did.

Q hasn't even played this position for too long.

Q is something else.

Lol okay dude...you keep thinking he's the next Aaron Donald.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:

lol you can disagree all you want but it is a fact that Q is 1 and a half year younger than Donald when they declared for draft and Q will go a lot higher than Donald did.

Q hasn't even played this position for too long.

Q is something else.

Lol okay dude...you keep thinking he's the next Aaron Donald.

I don't lol - their games are different.

I do think he has potential to be the best defensive player in the league.

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:

lol you can disagree all you want but it is a fact that Q is 1 and a half year younger than Donald when they declared for draft and Q will go a lot higher than Donald did.

Q hasn't even played this position for too long.

Q is something else.

Lol okay dude...you keep thinking he's the next Aaron Donald.

I don't lol - their games are different.

I do think he has potential to be the best defensive player in the league.

You have these feelings before December?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:

lol you can disagree all you want but it is a fact that Q is 1 and a half year younger than Donald when they declared for draft and Q will go a lot higher than Donald did.

Q hasn't even played this position for too long.

Q is something else.

Lol okay dude...you keep thinking he's the next Aaron Donald.

I don't lol - their games are different.

I do think he has potential to be the best defensive player in the league.

You have these feelings before December?

Is December a cut off date to evaluate a player?!?

And Q played in January - so your question is invalrod.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

11 days until Quinnen Williams is a 49er!

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol okay dude...you keep thinking he's the next Aaron Donald.

and you keep thinking he's the next gerald mccoy

Gerald Mccoy = 4.99 forty yard dash at 295 lbs.

Quinnen Williams = 4.83 forty yard dash at 303 lbs.

Official combine numbers.

That would make QW significantly faster at a more bulky and stronger weight. As compared to the lighter, less fast, less explosive Gerald Mccoy.

That's not the same guy at all. In fact QW is an extraordinary athlete for his size. Better than Mccoy in significant ways. He is bigger and stronger. Also faster with the more weight included.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Lol okay dude...you keep thinking he's the next Aaron Donald.

and you keep thinking he's the next gerald mccoy

McCoy comp is not a correct one imho. I got on youtube to see quite a few of his videos and first thing that pops out is - he was often blocked by one guy. There are so many plays you see and you're like - Q would have finished that for loss or for a sack.

McCoy was a highly regarded DT coming out of college - but Q is so much better. Whatever videos are posted online - looking at those, it doesn't add up to comp McCoy for Q. And, then - just raw numbers are one sided also.

Q had 71 total tackles from the nose guard position in 1 season...at a new position.
McCoy never had more than 34 in a year...and had 64 total tackles in his last 2 years at college.

Q had 19.5 ttfl and 8 sacks
McCoy's best was 15.5 ttfl and 6 sacks...again at a position that he has played

...and ppl keep saying - Q had more talent around him. So what? Did Oklahoma not have talent in 2009? lol c'mon. And unlike McCoy - regardless of talent around him...Q was still getting doubled consistently. That actually shows even with all the talent around him, offense was focused on stopping him.