Quinnen Williams, DT Alabama

Originally posted by genus49:
Once again...if Bosa was a much weaker prospect at DE then all this makes sense.

Fact is while QW is a better DT prospect than Bosa is a DE prospect, they're both excellent prospects overall and their grades are in the same ballpark. When that happens you go with the need, positional value, positional cost - all of those favor Bosa.

exactly!

Originally posted by NYniner85:
It's unrealistic expectations and like you said it's not fair to Q. If there's anyone that comps closer to Donald it's Oliver IMO, yet not one person wants him if Q wasn't in this draft, you could argue we shouldn't even draft a DT based on all the other needs we have and draft capital/money invested at DT.

Matt Miller comps him to Fletcher Cox, which is heavy praise as well. This was his first yr as a double digital sack guy (10.5). People get pissed if I say McCoy which shouldn't be a knock. He's been a top 5 DT in football for yrs. Donald is on another planet. It's like comping Reggie white to Bosa, come on meow.

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Originally posted by cortana49:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
It's unrealistic expectations and like you said it's not fair to Q. If there's anyone that comps closer to Donald it's Oliver IMO, yet not one person wants him if Q wasn't in this draft, you could argue we shouldn't even draft a DT based on all the other needs we have and draft capital/money invested at DT.

Matt Miller comps him to Fletcher Cox, which is heavy praise as well. This was his first yr as a double digital sack guy (10.5). People get pissed if I comp him to McCoy, which shouldn't be a knock. He's been a top 5 DT in football for yrs. Donald is on another planet. It's like comping Reggie white to Bosa, come on meow.

Dante Pettis approves!

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Q is 21 years old and won't turn 22 till December 2019.
Aaron Donald was a month away his 23rd b'day when drafted.

Played 4 years in college...played DT every year
Q played 1 year at DT

They play a different style but at age 21...Q is a better DT. Not pass-rusher, not run stopper....just overall - he's a better player.

And I disagree

lol you can disagree all you want but it is a fact that Q is 1 and a half year younger than Donald when they declared for draft and Q will go a lot higher than Donald did.

Q hasn't even played this position for too long.

Q is something else.

QW is not Donald. People need to stop this crap.

Donald put up 11 sacks as a sophomore at Pitt and he didn't have nearly the talent around him Q had at Bama. And Donald got much better after getting into the NFL.

Quinnen is my preference but by your reckoning, shouldn't Josh Allen be the top prospect then considering he produced better numbers all around in one season than Bosa's entire OSU career and he did this without any one player on that Kentucky front being good enough to be game planned for, so you knew where the pressure is going to come from, as well as spending almost half the time in coverage.

I'm a film guy but doesn't these numbers suggest that Bosa might be just a bit allergic to tackling.

Allen (2018) 88 tackles, 21.5 TFL, 17.0 sacks, 5 forced fumbles, 1 int.
Bosa (career) 77 tackles, 29 TFL, 17.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 0 int.
Allen (career) 220 tackles, 42 TFL, 31.5 sacks, 11 forced fumbles, 1 int

I don't deny Q is the best recent dt prospect to come out besides Donald but unless you're going to play him at 3 tech I don't see the value adding up.

Originally posted by marc1_007:
Quinnen is my preference but by your reckoning, shouldn't Josh Allen be the top prospect then considering he produced better numbers all around in one season than Bosa's entire OSU career and he did this without any one player on that Kentucky front being good enough to be game planned for, so you knew where the pressure is going to come from, as well as spending almost half the time in coverage.

I'm a film guy but doesn't these numbers suggest that Bosa might be just a bit allergic to tackling.

Allen (2018) 88 tackles, 21.5 TFL, 17.0 sacks, 5 forced fumbles, 1 int.
Bosa (career) 77 tackles, 29 TFL, 17.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 0 int.
Allen (career) 220 tackles, 42 TFL, 31.5 sacks, 11 forced fumbles, 1 int

Nope, Jaylon Ferguson should be

Freguson career: 187 tackles, TFL 67.5, 45 sacks

FWIW Allen wasn't a DE he was a LB so I'd expect him to have more tackles and Ints.

cant have it both ways, eh?

Originally posted by tjd808185:
I don't deny Q is the best recent dt prospect to come out besides Donald but unless you're going to play him at 3 tech I don't see the value adding up.

You see no need to have 2 superb DTs youycanove around the same rotation?

One will render the other one useless?

Originally posted by marc1_007:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 4ML:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 4ML:
Q is 21 years old and won't turn 22 till December 2019.
Aaron Donald was a month away his 23rd b'day when drafted.

Played 4 years in college...played DT every year
Q played 1 year at DT

They play a different style but at age 21...Q is a better DT. Not pass-rusher, not run stopper....just overall - he's a better player.

And I disagree

lol you can disagree all you want but it is a fact that Q is 1 and a half year younger than Donald when they declared for draft and Q will go a lot higher than Donald did.

Q hasn't even played this position for too long.

Q is something else.

QW is not Donald. People need to stop this crap.

Donald put up 11 sacks as a sophomore at Pitt and he didn't have nearly the talent around him Q had at Bama. And Donald got much better after getting into the NFL.

Quinnen is my preference but by your reckoning, shouldn't Josh Allen be the top prospect then considering he produced better numbers all around in one season than Bosa's entire OSU career and he did this without any one player on that Kentucky front being good enough to be game planned for, so you knew where the pressure is going to come from, as well as spending almost half the time in coverage.

I'm a film guy but doesn't these numbers suggest that Bosa might be just a bit allergic to tackling.

Allen (2018) 88 tackles, 21.5 TFL, 17.0 sacks, 5 forced fumbles, 1 int.
Bosa (career) 77 tackles, 29 TFL, 17.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles, 0 int.
Allen (career) 220 tackles, 42 TFL, 31.5 sacks, 11 forced fumbles, 1 int

Absolutely not.

My point was strictly to show that even at an early point in Donald's career he was beasting. So the idea that QW is a better player at the same stage of their careers is flawed. Williams is simply bigger. That doesn't always mean better.

And Josh Allen wasn't getting his production the same way as Donald or Bosa. He's a good player but a lot of his sacks came due to his versatility and stuff that wouldn't fly in the NFL. It's why I was really hoping to see him at the senior bowl to show what he can do when the other players know he's going to rush the passer.

You can get by with speed in the NFL but you can't get by with just speed and be a dominant player. College production isn't a perfect recipe for NFL success. Jarvis Jones led the SEC in sacks and is out of the NFL after a few years I believe. I think Allen has a bright future ahead of him but he's not the right fit for us. At least not at #2 overall.

Plus when you look at snap counts Allen played more than twice the amount of snaps than Bosa played and yes while injury was part of that for this season(where technically Nick was averaging 1.33 sacks per game which would've given him around 17+ for the year if he could keep that up) even in 2017 when he was fully healthy Allen was getting way more playing time. Which is why comparing their career stats is silly.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by tjd808185:
I don't deny Q is the best recent dt prospect to come out besides Donald but unless you're going to play him at 3 tech I don't see the value adding up.

You see no need to have 2 superb DTs youycanove around the same rotation?

One will render the other one useless?

How many teams have you seen have great success when their two best players on defense are DTs?

Easy answer is the Rams but once again Donald is in a class of his own and their 19th/20th ranked defense was not the reason for their success last year.

Originally posted by random49er:

cant have it both ways, eh?

I have no idea what that means brochacho

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by random49er:

cant have it both ways, eh?

I have no idea what that means brochacho

Why is it if we like Bosa, we can't like Quinnen as well?! or vice versa? Lol

10 days until the 49ers draft the future GOAT Quinnen Williams!

Originally posted by random49er:

You see no need to have 2 superb DTs youycanove around the same rotation?

One will render the other one useless?

Does anyone else remember Stubblefield's sack totals once BY arrived? One will eat the doubles, the other will get 1-1. It's not a bad scenario though I just think there's more potential with Bosa.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Why is it if we like Bosa, we can't like Quinnen as well?! or vice versa? Lol

I have no idea