Quinnen Williams, DT Alabama

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Our "replacement" DTs had SF as the 7 overall run D in YPA.

DT's with run stopping ability and minimal pass rush ability are a dime-a-dozen in the NFL

They also made up almost 50% of our total sacks last yr.

And the 49ers were one of the worst pass rushing teams in football.


Day-2 sacks
Thomas-1 sack
Jones-0 sacms

Again you can NOT convince me that our DT Corp is even remotely close to as bad as our edge group.

That is fine, you don't have to act like the DL is filled with undercover superstars though. If Buckner goes down with injury, this would be one of the worst interior DLs in football. Everyone hopes that Thomas can still become something worthwhile but right now he's still a major question mark. Armstead is a 5T and the rest are guys that could easily be replaced if needed.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

I agree with Phoenix here. Nobody is lining up to take these guys from us. Thomas, AA, Jones, street. Young guys on rookie deals to keep.

We can get rid of the rest and even one of them mentioned above if need be. Don't forget this assuming QW is starting next to Buck.

Who saying ST or Streets are available for teams? What happens if Ford gets hurt again? We got some 2nd/3rd rd guy and Blair coming off the edge, da f**k?

Understood, but then why did KC trade Ford? Most teams don't have the depth we dream of. Which is why I say Winovich in the second if he's there.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Solid is another word for average. If this team didn't have Buckner, DT would look like a mess.

LOL man, you have your own dictionary now Please tell me more bro

Originally posted by NYniner85:

But we do...and we have two other 1st rd picks rotating in that other DT spot in sub. (Plus all the "avg"young DTs) if AA balls why can't they sign him?

We got a 5th rd edge rusher in his contract yr and a guy who's got back issues coming off the edge currently....you know what would be a real mess is if Ford gets hurt. All that interior pass rush goes out the window with no edge pressure.

Draft status is meaningless once these guys are in the NFL. Does anyone argue that guard is no longer a need since the team has two 1st round guards in Tomlinson and Garnett?


Arnstead is a big end that will be gone in a year, Thomas is still a huge ???

if AA balls why can't they sign him?

If you draft Bosa, he will play big end. Where are you playing Armstead? NT? 3T instead of Buckner? Nah. He'll rotate through along the DL and be gone after a year.


If you draft Williams, Armstead will continue to play big end and be replaced by Thomas in a year.

Originally posted by Hopper:

He also was inactive the last 4-5 games. He went from from rotational piece to not even dressing. Something happened for Saleh to sour on him that fast to that extent.

It wasn't just Solly getting more snaps inside either.

I'm not saying he's a bona fide all-star, kid is a NFL player and can be part of a good IDL rotation. Dude would start in AZ. I'm glad they gave more snaps to the younger players when the season was lost.

Again my whole pt is you can't tell me that our IDL is even close to as an issue as edge for this roster.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Draft status is meaningless once these guys are in the NFL. Does anyone argue that guard is no longer a need since the team has two 1st round guards in Tomlinson and Garnett?


Arnstead is a big end that will be gone in a year, Thomas is still a huge ???






If you draft Bosa, he will play big end. Where are you playing Armstead? NT? 3T instead of Buckner? Nah. He'll rotate through along the DL and be gone after a year.


If you draft Williams, Armstead will continue to play big end and be replaced by Thomas in a year.

AA was actually playing NT towards the end of the yr, you're the one telling me this scheme is a one gapping D where the NT is gonna be told to get after the QB vs two gapping.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Hopper:
He also was inactive the last 4-5 games. He went from from rotational piece to not even dressing. Something happened for Saleh to sour on him that fast to that extent.

It wasn't just Solly getting more snaps inside either.

I'm not saying he's a bona fide all-star, kid is a NFL player and can be part of a good IDL rotation. Dude would start in AZ. I'm glad they gave more snaps to the younger players when the season was lost.

Again my whole pt is you can't tell me that our IDL is even close to as an issue as edge for this roster.

Day is just 24 years old. I would say he qualified if that was the case.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I'm not saying he's a bona fide all-star, kid is a NFL player and can be part of a good IDL rotation. Dude would start in AZ. I'm glad they gave more snaps to the younger players when the season was lost.

Again my whole pt is you can't tell me that our IDL is even close to as an issue as edge for this roster.

No, no he wouldnt, especially not after they signed Philon from the Chargers. I think you're overrating him greatly. This is a team that has wound up with a top 10 pick for 4 years straight. There is a lot of average to below average talent on this roster.

I'm glad they gave more snaps to the younger players when the season was lost

By definition he is one of the younger players. Just not very good.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I'm not saying he's a bona fide all-star, kid is a NFL player and can be part of a good IDL rotation. Dude would start in AZ. I'm glad they gave more snaps to the younger players when the season was lost.

Again my whole pt is you can't tell me that our IDL is even close to as an issue as edge for this roster.

No, no he wouldnt, especially not after they signed Philon from the Chargers. I think you're overrating him greatly. This is a team that has wound up with a top 10 pick for 4 years straight. There is a lot of average to below average talent on this roster.

I'm glad they gave more snaps to the younger players when the season was lost

By definition he is one of the younger players. Just not very good.

Agreed, NY would you draft allen over QW? We have a ton of interior depth, but aside Thomas blowing it up this year imo nobody comes close to QW's potential.

Also Kyle recently said they thought Thomas was fine at big end against the run which makes me believe QW is a real option

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Solid is another word for average. If this team didn't have Buckner, DT would look like a mess.

LOL man, you have your own dictionary now Please tell me more bro

But, doesn't Quinnen = Herrion in your thesaurus?

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
But we do...and we have two other 1st rd picks rotating in that other DT spot in sub. (Plus all the "avg"young DTs) if AA balls why can't they sign him?

We got a 5th rd edge rusher in his contract yr and a guy who's got back issues coming off the edge currently....you know what would be a real mess is if Ford gets hurt. All that interior pass rush goes out the window with no edge pressure.

Draft status is meaningless once these guys are in the NFL. Does anyone argue that guard is no longer a need since the team has two 1st round guards in Tomlinson and Garnett?

Arnstead is a big end that will be gone in a year, Thomas is still a huge ???

if AA balls why can't they sign him?

If you draft Bosa, he will play big end. Where are you playing Armstead? NT? 3T instead of Buckner? Nah. He'll rotate through along the DL and be gone after a year.

If you draft Williams, Armstead will continue to play big end and be replaced by Thomas in a year.

I won't mind if we pass on either Bosa/QW even though both bring a lot to the table and can both become elite on the next level. That being said, I don't think Bosa will be on the field for one whole complete year (injury here, injury there) throughout his career.

The only concern I have with QW is his conditioning, which I think can be worked on in the off season.

We are more stable at interior than edge rush, but the edge could be legit with Ford and a guy like Burns or Ferrell at opposite end. Blair is good for rotaion, but another good rookie should do the trick. Sign Trey Downe.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I totally disagree they're replacement players.

But they are, no different than Marsh. They are fine as depth but won't stop you from looking for someone better. High quality DTs don't wind up on the street during the middle of the season.


You think the 49ers would give Day a big money extension?

I agree with Phoenix here. Nobody is lining up to take these guys from us. Thomas, AA, Jones, street. Young guys on rookie deals to keep.

We can get rid of the rest and even one of them mentioned above if need be. Don't forget this assuming QW is starting next to Buck.

Thing is with Buckner, Ford and say Bosa you don't need an all pro to make plays next to those guys. Thomas still has a chance to reach his legit potential, who knows how much his sisters suicide affected his play, not to mention the constant out of position snaps he was getting. Getting Bosa let's those guys play where suits them best.

I'm sure people will be ok if Thomas is allowed to move inside and finally plays close to his draft status? I understand you don't want to rely on him since end of the day it may never work out but once again...Buckner is there as well. It's not relying on Thomas to carry the unit. Even if he's just solid with Bosa, Buckner, Ford we're scary. If he comes close to his potential we have the best front in the league.

Oh I'm a big fan of Thomas staying inside. That's why I want Bosa. Imo that's our best lineup with great depth to match. I think thomas will do great if played inside where he belongs. Ford-Thomas-Buck-Bosa would absolutely wreck o-lines.

I would even argue to double dip and take Winovich in the second if he's there regardless of who we draft in the first. Because you really can not ever have enough pass rush.

The problem imo is if Bosa goes one you take QW. He's that good of a prospect. And based on how they drafted this is what they do. They take BPA. We didn't need thomas, but they thought him special. That's how i feel about QW.

Otherwise take Allen and believe (lol) Saleh will scheme them all.....

Cool we agree then. Bosa over QW, if Bosa is gone QW is a great pick. I want the coaches not to overthink things. Bosa helps that.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

No, no he wouldnt, especially not after they signed Philon from the Chargers. I think you're overrating him greatly. This is a team that has wound up with a top 10 pick for 4 years straight. There is a lot of average to below average talent on this roster.




By definition he is one of the younger players. Just not very good.

Day had a better pass rush grade than McCoy, Richardson, and damn near the same as Suh last yr.

Again I'm not saying he's this stud but he's a NFL player and he will more than likely be on this team this yr.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Day had a better pass rush grade than McCoy, Richardson, and damn near the same as Suh last yr.

Again I'm not saying he's this stud but he's a NFL player and he will more than likely be on this team this yr.

OMG are we going to PFF? Because apparently Armstead had a better pass rush grade than Von Miller at one point.

Originally posted by zonkers:

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Solid is another word for average. If this team didn't have Buckner, DT would look like a mess.

LOL man, you have your own dictionary now Please tell me more bro

But, doesn't Quinnen = Herrion in your thesaurus?

that's good bruh

On another note, it goes like this for me... Trey Downe >>> QW >>> Bosa

We can't lose with any of those options unless FO screws up the trade picks.

I could easily switch with Bosa in front of QW. It's nothing personal with me, I just think we have more need at edge rush than interior, but I also think QW has more upside than Bosa. Both are real good tho