Quinnen Williams, DT Alabama

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I totally disagree they're replacement players.

But they are, no different than Marsh. They are fine as depth but won't stop you from looking for someone better. High quality DTs don't wind up on the street during the middle of the season.


You think the 49ers would give Day a big money extension?

I agree with Phoenix here. Nobody is lining up to take these guys from us. Thomas, AA, Jones, street. Young guys on rookie deals to keep.

We can get rid of the rest and even one of them mentioned above if need be. Don't forget this assuming QW is starting next to Buck.

Thing is with Buckner, Ford and say Bosa you don't need an all pro to make plays next to those guys. Thomas still has a chance to reach his legit potential, who knows how much his sisters suicide affected his play, not to mention the constant out of position snaps he was getting. Getting Bosa let's those guys play where suits them best.

I'm sure people will be ok if Thomas is allowed to move inside and finally plays close to his draft status? I understand you don't want to rely on him since end of the day it may never work out but once again...Buckner is there as well. It's not relying on Thomas to carry the unit. Even if he's just solid with Bosa, Buckner, Ford we're scary. If he comes close to his potential we have the best front in the league.

Oh I'm a big fan of Thomas staying inside. That's why I want Bosa. Imo that's our best lineup with great depth to match. I think thomas will do great if played inside where he belongs. Ford-Thomas-Buck-Bosa would absolutely wreck o-lines.

I would even argue to double dip and take Winovich in the second if he's there regardless of who we draft in the first. Because you really can not ever have enough pass rush.

The problem imo is if Bosa goes one you take QW. He's that good of a prospect. And based on how they drafted this is what they do. They take BPA. We didn't need thomas, but they thought him special. That's how i feel about QW.

Otherwise take Allen and believe (lol) Saleh will scheme them all.....

Cool we agree then. Bosa over QW, if Bosa is gone QW is a great pick. I want the coaches not to overthink things. Bosa helps that.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Agreed, NY would you draft allen over QW? We have a ton of interior depth, but aside Thomas blowing it up this year imo nobody comes close to QW's potential.

Also Kyle recently said they thought Thomas was fine at big end against the run which makes me believe QW is a real option

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Agreed, NY would you draft allen over QW? We have a ton of interior depth, but aside Thomas blowing it up this year imo nobody comes close to QW's potential.

Also Kyle recently said they thought Thomas was fine at big end against the run which makes me believe QW is a real option

I would not take Allen over Q. My debate was never that Q isn't amazing...no one should be arguing that. He does slow down 2nd half of games and he can have pad level issues. But whatever there, he's a stud. My debate is more of less if Bosa and Q are both on the board....and if anyone is truly trying to sell that our IDL is remotely close to as bad as our edge group

FWIW Kyle said Thomas is a BE/LEO in base then will rush from the interior...that's all I really care about is SUB. He's a DT end of the day.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
No, no he wouldnt, especially not after they signed Philon from the Chargers. I think you're overrating him greatly. This is a team that has wound up with a top 10 pick for 4 years straight. There is a lot of average to below average talent on this roster.

By definition he is one of the younger players. Just not very good.

Day had a better pass rush grade than McCoy, Richardson, and damn near the same as Suh last yr.

Again I'm not saying he's this stud but he's a NFL player and he will more than likely be on this team this yr.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

OMG are we going to PFF? Because apparently Armstead had a better pass rush grade than Von Miller at one point.

Originally posted by Hopper:

I wouldn't say it's likely. If he was valued as much you think he wouldn't have been inactive over a month. It was totally understandable to make Earl Mitchell inactive to give a younger DT like Jones more snaps. But Day was one of the younger guys like Phoenix mentioned so what's the reasoning there. I can only see one reason.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Oddly enough if you google mock drafts (it's fun lol) as of today a lot are switching and saying we will go QW.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I mean going by your standards, they got at least three at defensive end. At DT its Buckner, Armstead will be gone in a year and he is really more of a big end anyways and then you have Thomas who has been a big disappointment thus far. The rest is meh.

What standard?

You could argue AA/Day/Jones/Buck/Thomas could all be starters on other teams at DT. We haven't even see Streets, who you might as well add in to this rookie class.

You can't say that about any other edge on this team outside of Ford is starter worthy.

As far as AA/ST, all I care about is sub...don't care if either play BE in base.

Never in a million yrs will you convince me that our current edge rushers are remotely close to what we have at DT.

If you want to say Q is just so damn dominant that it doesn't matter who's on our team then fine, don't try to tell me edge isn't a much bigger need though.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

I mean going by your standards, they got at least three at defensive end. At DT its Buckner, Armstead will be gone in a year and he is really more of a big end anyways and then you have Thomas who has been a big disappointment thus far. The rest is meh.

What standard?

You could argue AA/Day/Jones/Buck/Thomas could all be starters on other teams at DT. We haven't even see Streets, who you might as well add in to this rookie class.

You can't say that about any other edge on this team outside of Ford is starter worthy.

As far as AA/ST, all I care about is sub...don't care if either play BE in base.

Never in a million yrs will you convince me that our current edge rushers are remotely close to what we have at DT.

If you want to say Q is just so damn dominant that it doesn't matter who's on our team then fine, don't try to tell me edge isn't a much bigger need though.

"If you want to say Q is just so damn dominant that it doesn't matter who's on our team then fine"

This is my position and my reasoning. Again, I will not be upset at all if Bosa is the pick.

Originally posted by LVJay:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Oddly enough if you google mock drafts (it's fun lol) as of today a lot are switching and saying we will go QW.

They all come in the Zone just to learn a thing or two anyways so I wouldn't trust any of them

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

"If you want to say Q is just so damn dominant that it doesn't matter who's on our team then fine"

This is my position and my reasoning. Again, I will not be upset at all if Bosa is the pick.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

I don't deny Q is the best recent dt prospect to come out besides Donald but unless you're going to play him at 3 tech I don't see the value adding up.

Originally posted by krizay:

This is the part that cracks me up.

When posters talk base as a reason Q makes sense we are told we are in nickel 70-80% of the time. If that's the case then Q would still be lined up as a 3T rushing the passer. While being 1T in base

The BOBs and their constant...... i can't wait for the draft to end this debate one way or the other.