Quinnen Williams, DT Alabama

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Nastastical:
Buckner shouldn't be moved anywhere. The whole point of me wanting Q is to create chaos in the middle and allow everyone else to benefit. Any DC worth his salt should be able to have unblocked blitzers creating pressure off the attention paid to Buckner and Williams. What will teams do then, try and not double those two? We see what having two monster 3T's can do by watching the LAR and Suh isn't even as good as he once was, but him being there is helping Donald go from a 10+ sack guy to a 20 sack guy. Williams has a chance to do that for Buckner or vice versa. Williams also plays NT at Alabama and anyone thinking he can't play the 1 for us is crazy because this kid went from DE to NT at Alabama and no matter where they put him he dominates because he can't be blocked with his exceptional hand usage and the insane leverage/power/agility he plays with.

This also wouldn't spell the end of Thomas because he would still play the big end position and has a chance to keep developing as an elite run defender, but it takes him off the field on passing downs unless he can make huge strides rushing from the outside. We'd also have an incredible run defense by having both Thomas and Williams on the field on run downs because Williams is the best interior run defender in college.

Bosa is the only defensive player that anyone could make a case for that should be taken before Williams. If we pass on him for the a lesser player because they play EDGE, it will be a decision that we will regret for years.

While things may change soon, it is looking like this upcoming free agent class and draft class is going to be loaded at EDGE and we have a chance not only to get a player who has Aaron Donald like potential, but also come away with a legit EDGE rusher without selecting one in the top 5.

Which looks better on passing downs...

Fowler/Graham (FA)
Buckner
Williams (1st Round)
Winovich (2nd Round)

or

Fowler/Graham (FA)
Buckner
Thomas
Allen (1st Round)

The clear weak link is Thomas in that second lineup until he develops as a pass rusher. You eliminate that from the equation by selecting Williams.

If they acquired Graham in FA and committed to taking someone like Winovich in the 2nd, I wouldn't be mad about drafting Williams. The interior would be absolutely monstrous, especially if you put Thomas at Big End like you said. RIP opponent rushing offense, RIP QB's stepping up in the pocket.

I'm seriously having a hard time not seeing us leading the league in sacks if we get any EDGE rushers with an ounce of talent. Graham, Lawrence, Fowler, Ford, Matthews or Clowney. All we need is one to become a FA and then do everything in our power to sign them. There is NO WAY you can defend Buckner and Williams in the interior and still pay any legit attention to stopping any of those edge rushers, so you have to pick your poison. Finish this off by drafting a guy like Winovich/Sweat in the 2nd and Saleh would have zero excuses for not fielding a top 5 defense. Our secondary wouldn't need a single upgrade anywhere if you put a pass rush like that in front of them.

I want Bosa like everyone else, but I also realize that if we don't get him all is not lost when a player of Williams caliber is 1B to Bosa's 1A. Both will greatly improve the pass rush of whichever team selects them.

Anyone talking about selecting a lesser player because they play edge is . Trade down? Sure, if someone blows our socks off, otherwise I hope Lynch runs to make the pick and then gladly accepts his booing from our fans until they actually get to see Williams on the field next to Buckner .

Originally posted by Nastastical:

I'm seriously having a hard time not seeing us leading the league in sacks if we get any EDGE rushers with an ounce of talent. Graham, Lawrence, Fowler, Ford, Matthews or Clowney. All we need is one to become a FA and then do everything in our power to sign them. There is NO WAY you can defend Buckner and Williams in the interior and still pay any legit attention to stopping any of those edge rushers, so you have to pick your poison. Finish this off by drafting a guy like Winovich/Sweat in the 2nd and Saleh would have zero excuses for not fielding a top 5 defense. Our secondary wouldn't need a single upgrade anywhere if you put a pass rush like that in front of them.

I want Bosa like everyone else, but I also realize that if we don't get him all is not lost when a player of Williams caliber is 1B to Bosa's 1A. Both will greatly improve the pass rush of whichever team selects them.

Anyone talking about selecting a lesser player because they play edge is . Trade down? Sure, if someone blows our socks off, otherwise I hope Lynch runs to make the pick and then gladly accepts his booing from our fans until they actually get to see Williams on the field next to Buckner .

4 first rd DTs in 5 yrs lol what?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

4 first rd DTs in 5 yrs lol what?

Well if we actually picked more than one good one we wouldn't have to.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Can't assume you can get winovich in the 2nd...If they take Q at 2.

I see about a .000001% they take their 4th interior DL in the 1st rd in 5 yrs

If Bosa is gone (more than likely) give me graham in FA and Burns in the draft.

It doesn't have to be Winovich but another edge rusher prospect. Williams and Buckner inside together would be such a ridiculous mismatch.

You also can't justify taking Burns in the top 5. Greatly reaching for need over talent seldom works out well.

This. When Suh went to the Rams, basically every single person who watches the NFL groaned and thought this would be such a ridiculous mismatch for opposing lineman to try and block, and Suh isn't as dominant as he once was, yet paired with Donald, the two are a load to try and block with any kind of success.

We would have our own version of those two monsters, just younger. You could also make the case in a couple years that the top 3 DT's all play in the NFC West and 2 play for our Niners. Williams is that good.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Well if we actually picked more than one good one we wouldn't have to.

The interior of the DL is far from an issue with this team. They got plently of young talent in there including Thomas, who's finally playing where he should have been.

No more I say! No more...

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Nastastical:
I'm seriously having a hard time not seeing us leading the league in sacks if we get any EDGE rushers with an ounce of talent. Graham, Lawrence, Fowler, Ford, Matthews or Clowney. All we need is one to become a FA and then do everything in our power to sign them. There is NO WAY you can defend Buckner and Williams in the interior and still pay any legit attention to stopping any of those edge rushers, so you have to pick your poison. Finish this off by drafting a guy like Winovich/Sweat in the 2nd and Saleh would have zero excuses for not fielding a top 5 defense. Our secondary wouldn't need a single upgrade anywhere if you put a pass rush like that in front of them.

I want Bosa like everyone else, but I also realize that if we don't get him all is not lost when a player of Williams caliber is 1B to Bosa's 1A. Both will greatly improve the pass rush of whichever team selects them.

Anyone talking about selecting a lesser player because they play edge is . Trade down? Sure, if someone blows our socks off, otherwise I hope Lynch runs to make the pick and then gladly accepts his booing from our fans until they actually get to see Williams on the field next to Buckner .

4 first rd DTs in 5 yrs lol what?

If 2 of those DT's become all pro monsters, do you really care if we missed on the other 2? Our current regime didn't even select Armstead and Solly was drafted to play the BIG END.

You don't pass on dominant players because of past mistakes.

Originally posted by Nastastical:

If 2 of those DT's become all pro monsters, do you really care if we missed on the other 2? Our current regime didn't even select Armstead and Solly was drafted to play the BIG END.

You don't pass on dominant players because of past mistakes.

Big end that gets pushed inside. You pass on players when you have a core of good young talent at that position and you draft good young talent at positions of need.

Don't hold your breath on SF drafting another DT

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Can't assume you can get winovich in the 2nd...If they take Q at 2.

I see about a .000001% they take their 4th interior DL in the 1st rd in 5 yrs

If Bosa is gone (more than likely) give me graham in FA and Burns in the draft.

It doesn't have to be Winovich but another edge rusher prospect. Williams and Buckner inside together would be such a ridiculous mismatch.

You also can't justify taking Burns in the top 5. Greatly reaching for need over talent seldom works out well.

This. When Suh went to the Rams, basically every single person who watches the NFL groaned and thought this would be such a ridiculous mismatch for opposing lineman to try and block, and Suh isn't as dominant as he once was, yet paired with Donald, the two are a load to try and block with any kind of success.

We would have our own version of those two monsters, just younger. You could also make the case in a couple years that the top 3 DT's all play in the NFC West and 2 play for our Niners. Williams is that good.

Well thought out opinions and it would be interesting if not crazy scary about Williams next to Buckner, but even if a premiere pass rusher hit FA and we somehow landed him I think we would then be more liable to draft the other Williams in this case. Why? The least need on our defense is interior d-line. Having Staley's replacement playing guard for a year or two works even better lol.

Such good arguments for and against this pick! Nas almost has me convinced that getting Q would actually be awesome for us. I just can not get over the fact that I convinced myself of the same thing last year with Thomas. With that said.... how on earth could Arizona pass this guy up?

At this point I am just hoping and praying that another pure ER sets himself as a clear #2. That way we will be golden at pick #3 if we get to choose from Bosa, Q Williams, ER#2, or massive trade to QB needy teams. A ER in FA is a must for all these options to be viable though.

So, if we drafted Q to play DT - where does Solly play?

It's Goddamn Groundhog Day up in here.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Well if we actually picked more than one good one we wouldn't have to.

The interior of the DL is far from an issue with this team. They got plently of young talent in there including Thomas, who's finally playing where he should have been.

No more I say! No more...

A position only comes off the board when you solve it, only QB & FB are off with RB close behind.

All others get a bump for playing in a position of more need, the edge guys more than others, but you can't completely ignored the talent gaps.

I'm still on the trade back option, but at this point there is no edge rusher apart from Bosa I could justify passing on Quinnen for.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Can't assume you can get winovich in the 2nd...If they take Q at 2.

I see about a .000001% they take their 4th interior DL in the 1st rd in 5 yrs

If Bosa is gone (more than likely) give me graham in FA and Burns in the draft.

It doesn't have to be Winovich but another edge rusher prospect. Williams and Buckner inside together would be such a ridiculous mismatch.

You also can't justify taking Burns in the top 5. Greatly reaching for need over talent seldom works out well.

This. When Suh went to the Rams, basically every single person who watches the NFL groaned and thought this would be such a ridiculous mismatch for opposing lineman to try and block, and Suh isn't as dominant as he once was, yet paired with Donald, the two are a load to try and block with any kind of success.

We would have our own version of those two monsters, just younger. You could also make the case in a couple years that the top 3 DT's all play in the NFC West and 2 play for our Niners. Williams is that good.

Well thought out opinions and it would be interesting if not crazy scary about Williams next to Buckner, but even if a premiere pass rusher hit FA and we somehow landed him I think we would then be more liable to draft the other Williams in this case. Why? The least need on our defense is interior d-line. Having Staley's replacement playing guard for a year or two works even better lol.

I'm completely fine with Jonah too. I said this a few weeks back in his thread because there is a good chance Joe calls it quits very soon. He'd also bump Person's off the line if he has to play inside until Joe hangs em up, so that is a plus.

I'm happy with Bosa, Q or Jonah. If we are picking in the top 3, we have to come out with one of those 3 players or a worth while trade down. I'm against grabbing an EDGE over better players just because we need one or trading down for a weak package just so we can select that lesser EDGE in a more comfortable spot like 6th-10th.

Just select the best talent and figure it out later. Picking for need is a disaster.

Originally posted by mayo49:
So, if we drafted Q to play DT - where does Solly play?

Exactly where he was drafted to play. Big End. Then he comes off the field on passing downs with the occasional sub for Buckner or Williams if they need a breather.

He would still play a huge role for us on early downs.

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by mayo49:
So, if we drafted Q to play DT - where does Solly play?

Exactly where he was drafted to play. Big End. Then he comes off the field on passing downs with the occasional sub for Buckner or Williams if they need a breather.

He would still play a huge role for us on early downs.

I guess that means AA is the odd man out, correct?