Dwayne Haskins-QB-Ohio State

Miami can have some too. The more the better. They'd have to come up from the middle of the 1st, which would be an enourmous deal.

I could see them and Wash hoping for the QB to fall or just sign a vet (Flacco, Dalton, Fitz, Bridgewater, or someone like that).

Originally posted by strickac:

Miami can have some too. The more the better. They'd have to come up from the middle of the 1st, which would be an enourmous deal.

I could see them and Wash hoping for the QB to fall or just sign a vet (Flacco, Dalton, Fitz, Bridgewater, or someone like that).

DC is currently paying alex smith $20.4 million next yr and there is no way financially they can cut him. I don't see them signing a vet and having $40+ million allocated at the QB position. They could pull a philly and trade away pieces to either get more draft capital or move up in the draft to get closer to making the big jump.

I also don't see why Miami would replace a mid tier QB in Tannehill with another mid tier QB (the names you meantioned) and paying them the same money you'd pay Ryan? Not really getting better imo.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The price tag is as high as the team trading with them...if AZ or SF really want to move down it might not cost muiple 1sts and 2nds.

Retread QBs that are either old or mid tier doesn't really help teams that suck currently with that type of QB already on their roster (phins, cinci, NY, broncos, TB, jags etc) getting what some people think is a good young QB on a rookie contract is a big deal.

If Haskins declares and does his thing in the draft process, I wouldn't be shocked at all if a team moves up for him. Happens all the time.

Winston, Tannehill, Bortles weren't retreads they're top draft picks gone wrong. Miami, TB, Cincy, Jax may be saying do we want to spend another 5 years developing a risky play. It happens all of time where teams will focus on line, d and accept a bridge qb.

I don't buy that Arz is going to take a discount. We may because there's not many good picks there for us but the top pick is too valuable to just take 60 cents. There's going to be a market for Haskins but the question is will teams trade away an entire draft for him just climbing over a top of each other? I'm skeptical of that.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by strickac:

Miami can have some too. The more the better. They'd have to come up from the middle of the 1st, which would be an enourmous deal.

I could see them and Wash hoping for the QB to fall or just sign a vet (Flacco, Dalton, Fitz, Bridgewater, or someone like that).

Washing is currently paying alex smith $20.4 million next yr and there is no way financially they can cut him. I don't see them signing a vet and having $40+ million allocated at the QB position. They could pull a philly and trade away pieces to either get more draft capital or move up in the draft to get closer to making the big jump.

I also don't see why Miami would replace a mid tier QB in Tannehill with another mid tier QB (the names you meantioned) and paying them the same money you'd pay Ryan? Not really getting better imo.

The Alex situation could change. There's talk that he'll never play again. He may decide to hang it up this offseason. Ideally, they'd draft his replacement, but that'll require a trade up most likely and they have a long way to go. They can win now with a vet, which is why I think they'll end up going that route. Their cap situation could prevent that, as you mentioned.

In Miami, Gase probably doesn't have the luxury of drafting a guy and waiting for him to be ready. He needs to win now. If Tannehill we're able to stay healthy, they're probably a wildcard team. They atleast compete for a playoff birth with decent QB play. I think the vet route makes sense for them.

Dalton and Flacco are guys that can win with pieces around them. I think Dalton will have plenty of suitors. Fitz would be a cheaper option for a pass-happy team. I could see him appealing to Gase.

Haskins is the crown jewel for this draft. He would be dumb not to declare. I'm hoping if we get 2 someone trades to 1 to get haskins and we get a free shot at bosa

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Winston, Tannehill, Bortles weren't retreads they're top draft picks gone wrong. Miami, TB, Cincy, Jax may be saying do we want to spend another 5 years developing a risky play. It happens all of time where teams will focus on line, d and accept a bridge qb.

I don't buy that Arz is going to take a discount. We may because there's not many good picks there for us but the top pick is too valuable to just take 60 cents. There's going to be a market for Haskins but the question is will teams trade away an entire draft for him just climbing over a top of each other? I'm skeptical of that.

At this pt those guys are mistakes, but they are still below avg QBs in the NFL, you think those said teams are gonna replace those below avg QBs with another below avg QB that will cost them entirely too much money

One thing a rookie QB does is give a FO time, they will get that with a top rookie draft pick. They aren't finished products. You don't get that if you bring in Flacco for $20 million. You could even do what the Bears did and bring in a Glennon AND draft a top end QB like Mitch.

Not sure what people dislike about Haskins game? Kid is a legit NFL prospect. He's put up great film this yr....also not sure what a prospect like Goff/Mitch did better than him coming out of college?

Originally posted by strickac:
The Alex situation could change. There's talk that he'll never play again. He may decide to hang it up this offseason. Ideally, they'd draft his replacement, but that'll require a trade up most likely and they have a long way to go. They can win now with a vet, which is why I think they'll end up going that route. Their cap situation could prevent that, as you mentioned.

In Miami, Gase probably doesn't have the luxury of drafting a guy and waiting for him to be ready. He needs to win now. If Tannehill we're able to stay healthy, they're probably a wildcard team. They atleast compete for a playoff birth with decent QB play. I think the vet route makes sense for them.

Dalton and Flacco are guys that can win with pieces around them. I think Dalton will have plenty of suitors. Fitz would be a cheaper option for a pass-happy team. I could see him appealing to Gase.

I know he might not ever play again but he's still due that money regardless, that's the whole pt. You think they will commit $40+ million to the QB position next yr?

Also why does Alex have to retire? He's dude like $31 million the next two seasons regardless if he plays or not.

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/redskins/salary-cap-expert-redskins-still-owe-alex-smith-tens-millions

I'm guessing they bring in a vet, but not someone expensive and they try to trade up for a guy...they have a solid overall team outside of say a WR, why not move up for the future QB if they do like him?

Gase might not even be the HC next yr and that screams getting a young QB to pair with a new HC. Replacing a below avg QB for another below avg QB doesn't really excite fans or make a team much better imo.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

At this pt those guys are mistakes, but they are still below avg QBs in the NFL, you think those said teams are gonna replace those below avg QBs with another below avg QB that will cost them entirely too much money

One thing a rookie QB does is give a FO time, they will get that with a top rookie draft pick. They aren't finished products. You don't get that if you bring in Flacco for $20 million. You could even do what the Bears did and bring in a Glennon AND draft a top end QB like Mitch.

Not sure what people dislike about Haskins game? Kid is a legit NFL prospect. He's put up great film this yr....also not sure what a prospect like Goff/Mitch did better than him coming out of college?

A team like Jax/ Den where the d is set probably but if you're TB, Cincy and you had a historically bad d for part of the year yeah. You can always get the qb at a later date. Not all hc/ coaches gm's have time.

And none of those guys I said are Glennon. He's a bridge qb you sign when you know you're going qb in the draft.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

A team like Jax/ Den where the d is set probably but if you're TB, Cincy and you had a historically bad d for part of the year yeah. You can always get the qb at a later date. Not all hc/ coaches gm's have time.

And none of those guys I said are Glennon. He's a bridge qb you sign when you know you're going qb in the draft.

I think TB keeps Winston end of the day, but who knows with a new HC.

Haskins is completing over 70% of his balls at 9.23 YPA, has over 50 total TDs with 4,600 yards, and only 8 INTs.

Those are better numbers than Mitch and Goff their final yr in college (Goff did throw for 100 more yards).

Honestly, outside of him only have one yr of starting experience (same as Mitch) imo he's right there with those guys as a QB prospect imo

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I think TB keeps Winston end of the day, but who knows with a new HC.

Haskins is completing over 70% of his balls at 9.23 YPA, has over 50 total TDs with 4,600 yards, and only 8 INTs.

Those are better numbers than Mitch and Goff their final yr in college (Goff did throw for 100 more yards).

Honestly, outside of him only have one yr of starting experience (same as Mitch) imo he's right there with those guys as a QB prospect.

Great numbers. Would like to see him vs Bama or Clemson where there's equal competition.

But you bring up Mitchell and while he went 2 he also got the smallest package ever in 2 3rds. It's not like anyone was fawning over him.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Great numbers. Would like to see him vs Bama or Clemson where there's equal competition.

But you bring up Mitchell and while he went 2 he also got the smallest package ever in 2 3rds. It's not like anyone was fawning over him.

But the team picking was 3rd. Remember that Lynch said the 49ers weren't interested in dropping down too far.

I think the main takeaway is that Trubisky, after just a year as a starter still went #2 and I think NFL-wise, Haskins is actually a better prospect in terms of pro traits.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

But the team picking was 3rd. Remember that Lynch said the 49ers weren't interested in dropping down too far.

I think the main takeaway is that Trubisky, after just a year as a starter still went #2 and I think NFL-wise, Haskins is actually a better prospect in terms of pro traits.

I remember Winslow getting a 2nd to jump up 1 spot. No doubt Haskins will go to the 1st qb desperate team. But there's no Chicago this year in the top 5 either. Question is will a team pony with real compensation to get to 1 on a prospect with little experience.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

No doubt Haskins will go to the 1st qb desperate team. But there's no Chicago this year in the top 5 either. Question is will a team pony with real compensation to get to 1 on a prospect with little experience.

If one team would, I'd put my money on Jacksonville. They could be pretty scary if they were able to acquire an actual franchise QB.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Great numbers. Would like to see him vs Bama or Clemson where there's equal competition.

But you bring up Mitchell and while he went 2 he also got the smallest package ever in 2 3rds. It's not like anyone was fawning over him.

He put up 300 yards and 6 TDs vs the #1 D in Michigan.

PHX already touched on the Mitch trade.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

No doubt Haskins will go to the 1st qb desperate team. But there's no Chicago this year in the top 5 either. Question is will a team pony with real compensation to get to 1 on a prospect with little experience.

If one team would, I'd put my money on Jacksonville. They could be pretty scary if they were able to acquire an actual franchise QB.

Wouldn't be shocked if NY was interested as well, let him learn behind Eli for a yr (or less)

Haskins, Barkley, OBJ could be a pretty good young core for yrs