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Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
My personal rankings after watching them
1) N'Keal Harry
2) Butler
3) Harmon
4) AJ Brown
5) Deebo
6) Campbell
7) Isabella
I think that's pretty much my rankings as well.
Deciding between Harry and Butler is tough for me though.
Originally posted by philosoraptor:
Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:
Originally posted by Ensatsu:
My personal rankings after watching them
1) N'Keal Harry
2) Butler
3) Harmon
4) AJ Brown
5) Deebo
6) Campbell
7) Isabella
I think that's pretty much my rankings as well.
Deciding between Harry and Butler is tough for me though.
I think Butler fits the Shanahan mold better than harry.
Originally posted by TheFunkyChicken:Originally posted by NTeply49:Originally posted by NTeply49:In the 2nd id draft
AJ Brown
Hakeem Butler
Nkeal Harry
Paris Campbell
3d
Deebo Samuel
Kelvin Harmon
4th maybe late 3d with trade
Andy Isabella
I like Brown the most. He seems solid all around. People say hes too slow. 4.49 at 220 pounds with a running back build says otherwise. He also has that alpha personality you want from a wide out. He said it best. The difference between him and these other top receivers is hes a man with the ball. He's a better version of Golden Tate in my eyes. People say hes slot only, but I think that he can be effective at all 3 positions giving us a tremendous amount of scheme versatility. Plus hes not afraid to go over the middle.
Butler is my other top guy. He's a unique talent, that probably wont make it to us in the 2nd anyway based on potential alone. He has everything we need. He has the size and speed to excel on the outside primarily as a mismatch nightmare. Hes also a redzone threat that wins 50/50 jump balls more often than not. I would say trade up for him, but we have too many needs and not enough picks. I like Butler over Metcalf.
I like Nkeal Harry for the same reason as I like Butler, but I feel Butler is more agile and has a higher ceiling, but Harry has a higher floor. He would be a good redzone threat and a mismatch nightmare on the perimeter forcing teams to have their biggest corner shadow him, thus manipulating the defense and adding a degree a predictability to opposing defensive schemes.
I think Paris Campbell would be good in our offense because Shannahan can scheme him open like he does for Goodwin. Speed kills. Only concern is hands and contested balls. I think we need a speed guy in case Goodwin cant stay healthy. Ohio State mostly used him on bubble screens and shallow crossing routes.
Deebo Samuel is a nifty route runner in the Shannahan mold. Injury history scares me away from him. He might be the best fit, but not my pick.
Kelvin Harmon lack of speed is the biggest concern for me and is why I have him dropping. One of the better contested catchers though, probably because he cant separate like a lot of these guys. If he can run faster at his pro day, he would rise above the 3d round for me.
Andy Isabella is my underdog I'm rooting for. 4th or 5th ia a good target zone for him IMO. He's electric with the ball in his hand and takes off like he was shot out of a cannon. My concerns are lack of competition in college, size obviously, and I saw a lot of body catches where he'd cradle the ball instead of plucking it out of the air.
Some other receivers you failed to mention.
Myles Boynkin 3d to 5th rounder whom I'm hoping drops to the 5th and we trade up for. He did not have the best QB throwing him the ball, but his measurable are amazing. Best 3 cone time to go along with 4.42 speed and a 6'4 frame. By far, my favorite developmental mid round receiver.
Terry McLaurin - 3d to 5th? Another speedy guy that's a lot like his teammate, Campbell. Ohio St had too many mouths to feed. I don't have any idea where he winds up.
Emanuel Hall - 4-6thAnother speedy deep threat, but has injury issues that could drop him into the later rounds.
Darius Slayton - 3-6th 6'1 with 4.39 speed and 40 inch vertical 7 second 3 cone. Has all the traits we look for, just had some inconsistent hands.
JJ Arcega-Whiteside 2-4th round Lacks elite deep speed, but is a match up nightmare in the redzone. Great at boxing out receivers and high pointing the ball. Would be interesting to add him outside and let our other guys work from the slot.
David Sills V 3-5th Little slower than wed like, but like Whiteside, he is a redzone threat. Converted QB so his football IQ should be better than most as fat as understanding the offensive concepts and what a QB likes to see,
Nice post!
I agree with you about Harry being a high floor guy and Butler being the higher ceiling. That's why I've struggled to decide which of the two is my favorite. I did vote for Harry in the end, just because of the certainty combined with how he would compliment Pettis.
For this poll I deliberately kept off all the WRs I thought were not candidates for our second round pick. There are some really interesting guys for later in this draft. In addition to the ones you mentioned you've got Keelan Doss, Keeshaun Johnson, Lil'Jordan Humphrey, etc.
But then it turns into a discussion of value. "I'd rather have Doss in the 6th than Butler in the 2nd." And while those are very reasonable points of view that are totally worth discussing, it makes for way too open ended of a poll question. So I kept it simple and made it "if you are taking a WR at 36 and these are the guys that are there, which do you want."
Personally, I'm hoping that we end up with someone interested not getting drafted at all so we can sign them afterwards. Keeshaun Johnson would be my top choice but I doubt that happens...
Originally posted by NTeply49:My vote went for Brown because I look at Brown and a high volume 100 catch a year guy, and I feel Pettis is more of a big play waiting to happen.
I aee your point on bringing too many wide receivers up but I got on a roll. Maybe I should write my own wr post lol
Originally posted by Rascal:Well, I guess the people have spoken then.
It is somewhat surprising to see Deebo at merely 17% when all I've heard is Deebo this and Deebo that. Perhaps, it was more to do with people placing too much emphasis on the thought of "he is the only type of WR that Shanahan will draft". But, that is not to say that is what people would like the 9ers to draft.
With Butler at a commanding 33%, it tells me one thing and that is people want a different type of receiver, a big, tall, outside WR and red zone weapon. We have more than enough of those so-called Shanahan's preferred smaller, skinnier and shiftier WRs.
Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Well, I guess the people have spoken then.
It is somewhat surprising to see Deebo at merely 17% when all I've heard is Deebo this and Deebo that. Perhaps, it was more to do with people placing too much emphasis on the thought of "he is the only type of WR that Shanahan will draft". But, that is not to say that is what people would like the 9ers to draft.
With Butler at a commanding 33%, it tells me one thing and that is people want a different type of receiver, a big, tall, outside WR and red zone weapon. We have more than enough of those so-called Shanahan's preferred smaller, skinnier and shiftier WRs.
I voted Butler, and it's not just because he's a big, tall, outside receiver. Would I have him run go routes outside? Yes. But his primary alignment on my team would be the slot. He is a mismatch for more reasons than his height.
Anyway, my rankings from this list go
1. Hakeem Butler
2. Deebo Samuel
3. AJ Brown
4. Andy Isabella
5. NKeal Harry
6. Kelvin Harmon
7. Paris Campbell
Originally posted by Rascal:There are more fluid receivers, but I took a swing and went for Butler because I want to create that match-up nightmare. The guy is 6'6" and can jump way higher than any DBs. But, I think he needs to bulk up a little, right now he is a bit lanky.
After Butler, I am OK with anyone in a group of 3 including and not in any particular order Harmon, Brown and Samuel.
Like most folks, I think Shanny will probably pick Deebo. The guy is explosive and fantastic with YAC. Can't argue with that. But, if we did pick him at 36, we still might need that big outside guy from the lower rounds. I quite like Shawn Poindexter, Arizona, another 6'5" guy. Miles Austin went to meet up with him on the Arizona pro day. Another possibility is a guy called Jazz Ferguson, Northwestern State, our scouts were there. He is also 6'5", but with a bit more bulk at 228lbs.
It might work out better that way because Shanny will get that smaller, shiftier guy that he likes in Deebo. And the fans will get that deep routes specialist and red zone jump ball match-up nightmare.
Originally posted by Rascal:Well, I guess the people have spoken then.
It is somewhat surprising to see Deebo at merely 17% when all I've heard is Deebo this and Deebo that. Perhaps, it was more to do with people placing too much emphasis on the thought of "he is the only type of WR that Shanahan will draft". But, that is not to say that is what people would like the 9ers to draft.
With Butler at a commanding 33%, it tells me one thing and that is people want a different type of receiver, a big, tall, outside WR and red zone weapon. We have more than enough of those so-called Shanahan's preferred smaller, skinnier and shiftier WRs.
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by Rascal:
Well, I guess the people have spoken then.
It is somewhat surprising to see Deebo at merely 17% when all I've heard is Deebo this and Deebo that. Perhaps, it was more to do with people placing too much emphasis on the thought of "he is the only type of WR that Shanahan will draft". But, that is not to say that is what people would like the 9ers to draft.
With Butler at a commanding 33%, it tells me one thing and that is people want a different type of receiver, a big, tall, outside WR and red zone weapon. We have more than enough of those so-called Shanahan's preferred smaller, skinnier and shiftier WRs.
It's because he's been connected to us since the Senior Bowl and yes checks the boxes that our staff likes. Fans will ALWAYS want the big WR, end of the day doesn't matter what we want....but I get the point of the thread
Honestly, I would be fine with any of these WRs listed (Campbell I'm meh about). I was watching Harry's pro-day yesterday and he looked pretty solid. He did a 3-come and I clocked him at 6.95, which falls in Kyle's parameters.
I've seen him compared to Brandon Marshall.
Originally posted by krizay:
You say that, yet after watching 4 game film of the dude. They had 4 red zone passes he was targeted once no catches. Never uncovered jumpball literally all he gave his QB.
I understand small sample size. But i watched them run run run in the redzone during those 4 game clips.
So my question is, if he is supposed to be this match-up nightmare in the pros. Why was he not that in college versus inferior talent?
Originally posted by Ensatsu:My personal rankings after watching them
1) N'Keal Harry
2) Butler
3) Harmon
4) AJ Brown
5) Deebo
6) Campbell
7) Isabella
Originally posted by Rascal:First of all, small sample size as you have noted, we don't have access to all of his film.
So, let me offer an alternative, his stats, he has the highest average yards/reception by quite some margin at 22 yards amongst the entire list of WRs as listed above. In fact, he is ranked No.1 for having the highest receiving yards/reception within the entire Big 12 in 2018.
What does that mean? In the absence of film, I have to assume either: 1) he was able to get open to allow him to make such chunk plays or 2) he was able to out-muscle opposing defensive coverage in making deep catches and/or therefore was able to make long runs after the catch. Either way, both are forms of match-up nightmares.
In addition, I would also like to offer in evidence his evaluation from analysts and in this case by the Draft Network. In particular, I would like to draw your attention to the areas of "Contested Catch Ability", "Run After The Catch Ability" and "Vertical Receiving". All of which seem to substantiate the idea he is indeed a "match-up nightmare".
https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/hakeem-butler