Jerry Jeudy, WR Alabama

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by mayo49:

The problem with OBJ is he's had poop for a QB. An old Eli, then Baker - what do expect from a guy who has crap for QBs.

That's not an excuse. Both of those guys are #1 picks. Eli was obviously end of his career but both guys have an arm and aren't afraid to throw it...sometimes when they shouldn't.

OBJ wasn't even the best WR on the Browns last year. I'm sure Kyle would get some great production out of him but what Sanders brought as a vet is the opposite of what OBJ would bring.

Much rather just go WR in this draft class and let Cleveland deal with OBJ.

Only way I'm making that move is if we trade 31 and get OBJ and a pick from them.

That's what I was thinking too. Maybe 31 and get back a 3rd or second. I don't think it will take that much tbh so it is possible.

Yeah we're very much in position of power with this one. We don't need him with this strong WR class and two first round picks. If Cleveland wants to move him after one year that kills their value and bargaining chip.

Fine, I'd do OBJ for #31 - but, I don't see CLE doing it.

Bump. Jeudy and Ruggs threads need to remain at top of the list above the 2nd tier WRs.

No guarantee they would take Jeudy or Lamb at 13, even if both are there. Remember the McGlich pick. Could go DL and trade down too.

Jerry Jeudy has always been my number one receiver in this draft, I really am not too high on Ceedee Lamb because I felt like we already had a YAC monster with Deebo, so I would have preferred Jeudy or Henry Ruggs, mainly because I trust my eyes and what they see but I came across this from Chris Simms and he is supposed to be great friends with Kyle Shanahan and in this video he states that he spoke to his best friends in the NFL and other front offices have approached him on some of his evaluation.
If this is to be believed it has obviously made me rethink my whole perspective on what I thought of as the top 5-10 receivers in this draft and I probably have to go back and watch more film on the prospects again to see his perspective.
You can watch the whole video but the really interesting part starts here https://youtu.be/OC_eooiE0Nk?t=1864

Originally posted by marc1_007:
Jerry Jeudy has always been my number one receiver in this draft, I really am not too high on Ceedee Lamb because I felt like we already had a YAC monster with Deebo, so I would have preferred Jeudy or Henry Ruggs, mainly because I trust my eyes and what they see but I came across this from Chris Simms and he is supposed to be great friends with Kyle Shanahan and in this video he states that he spoke to his best friends in the NFL and other front offices have approached him on some of his evaluation.
If this is to be believed it has obviously made me rethink my whole perspective on what I thought of as the top 5-10 receivers in this draft and I probably have to go back and watch more film on the prospects again to see his perspective.
You can watch the whole video but the really interesting part starts here https://youtu.be/OC_eooiE0Nk?t=1864

Simms brought up a legit point that I made earlier: Jeudy has no elite athletic traits. I still love him as a player, but ideally, if you're drafting a WR early in the first, you want elite athletic traits.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Simms brought up a legit point that I made earlier: Jeudy has no elite athletic traits. I still love him as a player, but ideally, if you're drafting a WR early in the first, you want elite athletic traits.

Yeah and neither does Lamb which is why I question whether there are any truly elite WRs in this draft. There's a reason none of these guys are projected to go top 10.

Meanwhile, there are some offensive linemen with elite traits. Each of them should be a top 10 pick, but one may fall to our pick. In my opinion, we should trade out of our pick with someone who wants one of them or pick them ourselves if they can fill in at guard for a year (Wirfs, Wills, Thomas).

Tristan Wirfs ran a 4.85 and jumped 36.5" and 10'1" which are incredible numbers for a lineman (all #1 in this class). His broad and vertical may be the best numbers for an offensive lineman ever (recent bests on NFL.com which goes back to 2006).

Mekhi Becton ran a 5.10 at 6'7 364. He has elite length (35 5/8") and hand size (10 3/4"). He moves unbelievably well for a guy his size.

Jedrick Wills ran a 5.05 40 with average length (34 1/4"). His vertical jump was 34.5" which was 2nd only to Wirfs. Over the past 15 years, his vertical jump ranks 7th (tied with Terron Armstead and Trent Williams). He's been overshadowed by Wirfs and Becton, but is an elite player in his own right.

Andrew Thomas has elite length (36 1/8" arms) to go along with good quickness for a 315 pound lineman (7.58 3 cone was ranked 4th among OL at the combine, 4.66 shuttle was ranked 6th). He looks great on tape at LT and RT.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Yeah and neither does Lamb which is why I question whether there are any truly elite WRs in this draft. There's a reason none of these guys are projected to go top 10.

Meanwhile, there are some offensive linemen with elite traits. Each of them should be a top 10 pick, but one may fall to our pick. In my opinion, we should trade out of our pick with someone who wants one of them or pick them ourselves if they can fill in at guard for a year (Wirfs, Wills, Thomas).

Tristan Wirfs ran a 4.85 and jumped 36.5" and 10'1" which are incredible numbers for a lineman (all #1 in this class). His broad and vertical may be the best numbers for an offensive lineman ever (recent bests on NFL.com which goes back to 2006).

Mekhi Becton ran a 5.10 at 6'7 364. He has elite length (35 5/8") and hand size (10 3/4"). He moves unbelievably well for a guy his size.

Jedrick Wills ran a 5.05 40 with average length (34 1/4"). His vertical jump was 34.5" which was 2nd only to Wirfs. Over the past 15 years, his vertical jump ranks 7th (tied with Terron Armstead and Trent Williams). He's been overshadowed by Wirfs and Becton, but is an elite player in his own right.

Andrew Thomas has elite length (36 1/8" arms) to go along with good quickness for a 315 pound lineman (7.58 3 cone was ranked 4th among OL at the combine, 4.66 shuttle was ranked 6th). He looks great on tape at LT and RT.

And people are poking holes in all of those OTs games as well.

It's that time of the yr.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Simms brought up a legit point that I made earlier: Jeudy has no elite athletic traits. I still love him as a player, but ideally, if you're drafting a WR early in the first, you want elite athletic traits.

Hopefully GM/FOs ahead of us think like Simms

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Simms brought up a legit point that I made earlier: Jeudy has no elite athletic traits. I still love him as a player, but ideally, if you're drafting a WR early in the first, you want elite athletic traits.

Hopefully GM/FOs ahead of us think like Simms

And most here laughed at me for thinking that Jeudy is not a solid choice at the pick 13. Nor is Ruggs

Originally posted by Heroism:
Simms brought up a legit point that I made earlier: Jeudy has no elite athletic traits. I still love him as a player, but ideally, if you're drafting a WR early in the first, you want elite athletic traits.

There have been a lot of great receivers who didn't have great athleticism and a lot more that were great athletes but not so great on the field. Athleticism can get overblown. I prefer to look at on field results. If I player performs well but isn't a great athlete I don't down grade him. If a player has a lot of athleticism but it doesn't show up on the field then I don't upgrade him. Football is more than a track meet.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by marc1_007:

Jerry Jeudy has always been my number one receiver in this draft, I really am not too high on Ceedee Lamb because I felt like we already had a YAC monster with Deebo, so I would have preferred Jeudy or Henry Ruggs, mainly because I trust my eyes and what they see but I came across this from Chris Simms and he is supposed to be great friends with Kyle Shanahan and in this video he states that he spoke to his best friends in the NFL and other front offices have approached him on some of his evaluation.
If this is to be believed it has obviously made me rethink my whole perspective on what I thought of as the top 5-10 receivers in this draft and I probably have to go back and watch more film on the prospects again to see his perspective.
You can watch the whole video but the really interesting part starts here https://youtu.be/OC_eooiE0Nk?t=1864

Simms brought up a legit point that I made earlier: Jeudy has no elite athletic traits. I still love him as a player, but ideally, if you're drafting a WR early in the first, you want elite athletic traits.

Yet he has Lamb and Jefferson ranked 1 and 2, but both players also lack elite athletic traits.

That's my only issue with his take, but hopefully other teams picking in front of us also feel this way and Jeudy falls into our laps... Though, we also have to hope Kyle Shanahan doesn't feel the same way about Jeudy as Simms does, but if he does pass on him I'll trust his decision more so than other talent evaluators that we've had in past years.

It's that time of the year when people have doubts and nitpick about a player when there's 20 pages of why he should be the 9ers pick at #13. Remember Nick Bosa and the doubters who thought he wouldn't make it through the season because of family genes of being injury prone.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by marc1_007:

Jerry Jeudy has always been my number one receiver in this draft, I really am not too high on Ceedee Lamb because I felt like we already had a YAC monster with Deebo, so I would have preferred Jeudy or Henry Ruggs, mainly because I trust my eyes and what they see but I came across this from Chris Simms and he is supposed to be great friends with Kyle Shanahan and in this video he states that he spoke to his best friends in the NFL and other front offices have approached him on some of his evaluation.
If this is to be believed it has obviously made me rethink my whole perspective on what I thought of as the top 5-10 receivers in this draft and I probably have to go back and watch more film on the prospects again to see his perspective.
You can watch the whole video but the really interesting part starts here https://youtu.be/OC_eooiE0Nk?t=1864

Simms brought up a legit point that I made earlier: Jeudy has no elite athletic traits. I still love him as a player, but ideally, if you're drafting a WR early in the first, you want elite athletic traits.

We Probably all could have said the same about Rice coming out...

What do you see when you watch game film? That's all I care about. That being said we absolutely need speed, but I've seen this kid running away from db's who ran 4.4 and faster at the combine?

Originally posted by Kolohe:

It's that time of the year when people have doubts and nitpick about a player when there's 20 pages of why he should be the 9ers pick at #13. Remember Nick Bosa and the doubters who thought he wouldn't make it through the season because of family genes of being injury prone.

This. People have been on the Jeudy bandwagon as a top 10 pick for the last 2 years, now all of a sudden he's supposedly dropping as we get closer to draft day? I'm not exactly sure what he's done wrong or what others have done better to knock him down any rankings, but I'm good with it if that means he drops to #13.