Laviska Shenault - WR - Colorado

Originally posted by Heroism:

I'm old enough to remember when people called Tyreek Hill a "gadget receiver."

I'm also old enough to remember when fly sweeps, orbit motions, RPOs and the plethora of other wrinkles Kyle uses in his offense were "gadget" plays.

It's 2020, people.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Heroism:

I'm old enough to remember when people called Tyreek Hill a "gadget receiver."

I'm also old enough to remember when fly sweeps, orbit motions, RPOs and the plethora of other wrinkles Kyle uses in his offense were "gadget" plays.

It's 2020, people.

I feel ya, but I'd rather not spend a 1st on a WR who's not beating man coverage and doesn't need kyle to create plays for him. Rather have Gibson later in the draft if the plan is to use Shenault RPOs/sweeps/screens

And he's actually healthy

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I feel ya, but I'd rather not spend a 1st on a WR who's not beating man coverage

Oh, I totally feel you on this. I don't know if I'd touch Shenault in the second, either. The medicals are way too scary.

I just think the entire talking down on gadget plays is so outdated. The two teams in the Superbowl used more "gadget plays" this season than any other team. Football skill players are slowly becoming positionless. It's time for fans to adjust their mentality accordingly because NFL coaches already have. Kyle Shanahan has literally been leading the charge with his 21 personnel.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I feel ya, but I'd rather not spend a 1st on a WR who's not beating man coverage

Oh, I totally feel you on this. I don't know if I'd touch Shenault in the second, either. The medicals are way too scary.

I just think the entire talking down on gadget plays is so outdated. The two teams in the Superbowl used more "gadget plays" this season than any other team. Football skill players are slowly becoming positionless. It's time for fans to adjust their mentality accordingly because NFL coaches already have. Kyle Shanahan has literally been leading the charge with his 21 personnel.

Gotcha. FWIW I don't hate him as a prospect, but I'm not touching him in the 1st 2nd rds.

not hating on the gadget play stuff either, I just expect more from a WR that's suppose to get drafted as high as he is

Give me a Clemson, 'Bama, Baylor, TCU or LSU WR...all day long.

I'm here to declare that Laviska is my new draft crush especially if we trade down to get him.

He reminds me of Deebo with the ball in his hands. Physical WR who was asked to play every position in Colorado and I think that actually hurt him developing into a WR.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Sure I am...I just don't think he's very good WR.

Let me change that a little. He's not a polished route runner. He's great with the ball in his hands but he's gonna need plays schemed up for him. Screens/sweeps quick throws...imo needs to play in off coverage.

We got that in Hurd/Deebo and the dude can never stay healthy.

He reminds me of Cordell Patterson.

I like the comparison actually. He's similar with the ball in his hands. CU direct-snapped to him often. What Shanault gives up in the return game he more than makes up as a WR.

He has that Boldin bully thing going on, but also is a nice downfield WR. He out competes DBs for the ball.

Originally posted by strickac:

I like the comparison actually. He's similar with the ball in his hands. CU direct-snapped to him often. What Shanault gives up in the return game he more than makes up as a WR.

He has that Boldin bully thing going on, but also is a nice downfield WR. He out competes DBs for the ball.

He's similar to Cordarelle in usage, sure, but he's much nore physical at the LOS in getting off press, and is much more of a natural receiver with much better hands. Laviska is Sammy Watkins the prospect reincarnate, but with injury.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by strickac:
I like the comparison actually. He's similar with the ball in his hands. CU direct-snapped to him often. What Shanault gives up in the return game he more than makes up as a WR.

He has that Boldin bully thing going on, but also is a nice downfield WR. He out competes DBs for the ball.

He's similar to Cordarelle in usage, sure, but he's much nore physical at the LOS in getting off press, and is much more of a natural receiver with much better hands. Laviska is Sammy Watkins the prospect reincarnate, but with injury.

He's a YAC guy and is explosive with the ball in his hands. A lot of his production was schemed based. Most of his catches were on routes 0-9 yards downfield (screens/flat routes).

I agree he's more physical in general he could be a RB. Not sure how much he saw press? PFF pointed out his production dropped off when he was forced to win outside.

IMO Watkins was a better route-runner than him coming out of college.

wouldn't hate to have him in SF, I'm Kyle would have some fun with him. I wouldn't draft him in at least the top 50 picks.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

He's a YAC guy and is explosive with the ball in his hands. A lot of his production was schemed based. Most of his catches were on routes 0-9 yards downfield (screens/flat routes).

I agree he's more physical in general he could be a RB. Not sure how much he saw press? PFF pointed out his production dropped off when he was forced to win outside.

IMO Watkins was a better route-runner than him coming out of college.

wouldn't hate to have him in SF, I'm Kyle would have some fun with him. I wouldn't draft him in at least the top 50 picks.

Remember that Watkin's college production was also largely based off of manufactured touches with gadget plays, bubble screens, etc where he could use his superior size and atleticism to rack up YAC. Referring to hi is scouting profile on NFL.com, his weakness was coming from a gimmicky offense.

Patterson is a body catcher who can't get off the LOS.

Laviska is much bigger than both of those guys, tho. He's built like AJ Brown. In fact, he's like a fusion of AJ Brown and Deebo.

If this dude didn't have that horrifying medical sheet, he'd be the #1 WR on my wishlist. He can do it all as an athlete. Speed, power, agility. Unlike the other tall/big/fast WRs, Laviska can breakdown and change direction with ease. The YAC machine coupled with the fact that he'll run thru a motherf**kers face. I love him as a player. He checks all the boxes for what they want in an athlete, and I think he'd be a monster in Kyle's offense.

But those medicals.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Remember that Watkin's college production was also largely based off of manufactured touches with gadget plays, bubble screens, etc where he could use his superior size and atleticism to rack up YAC. Referring to hi is scouting profile on NFL.com, his weakness was coming from a gimmicky offense.

Patterson is a body catcher who can't get off the LOS.

The Patterson comp is based around him being an athlete & electric with the ball in his hands like Shenault. Both him and Watkins are faster than Shenault as well.

Shenault isn't amazing getting off the LOS on the outside either. He's not really separator.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Remember that Watkin's college production was also largely based off of manufactured touches with gadget plays, bubble screens, etc where he could use his superior size and atleticism to rack up YAC. Referring to hi is scouting profile on NFL.com, his weakness was coming from a gimmicky offense.

Patterson is a body catcher who can't get off the LOS.

The Patterson comp is based around him being an athlete & electric with the ball in his hands like Shenault. Both him and Watkins are faster than Shenault as well.

Shenault isn't amazing getting off the LOS on the outside either. He's not really separator.

That's the biggest difference between him and Samuel in my opinion. That, plus the injuries make me less of a fan of him. Sure, he could be useful in our scheme, BUT.. I do have doubts that he would be able to be a true #1 or a consistent producer for us.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
That's the biggest difference between him and Samuel in my opinion. That, plus the injuries make me less of a fan of him. Sure, he could be useful in our scheme, BUT.. I do have doubts that he would be able to be a true #1 or a consistent producer for us.

Yeah it's not that I dislike him. I dislike where they have to draft him. I'd take someone like Reagor/ Aiyuk/Mims/Higgins over him and I like the value of Pittman/Jefferson/Johnson/Hamler later vs taking him earlier.

I wouldn't even consider touching Laviska until late round 3 at the very earliest. Medicals are terrifying, and we can't be burning any more day-two picks.

If another team wants to draft him earlier than that, that's on them. That said, dude is the most tantalizing boom or bust WR prospect to me.