Brandon Aiyuk | ASU WR | 6-0, 203, 4.45

Originally posted by Niners_D:

I admit to being disappointed at first, however there are things to consider when looking at player valuation, and this is how the process seems to work:

1. The media initially salivates over certain stars and you begin to see other players rise in value as the college football season goes on.
2. The media's talking heads begin cementing their favorites and those players get promoted heavily on tv and the internet over a few months.
3. The media keeps feeding on each other to the point that they ultimately start eating each other's cooking and there becomes a consensus on player rankings within their circles.
4. Meanwhile scouts, coaches, and GM's predominantly insulate from the chatter and form their own opinions based on film, evaluations, and interviews.
5. When a player is drafted outside of the medias herd-mentality consensus, the media loses it and can't handle that a GM disagreed with their superior knowledge.

Sounds like the way propaganda and fake news works

I need me some Aiyuk news.

Originally posted by mayo49:

I need me some Aiyuk news.

Originally posted by mayo49:

I need me some Aiyuk news.

Aiyuk out for the season

Originally posted by mayo49:
I need me some Aiyuk news.

hahahaha

you're the best Mayo

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
I think he's gone before #31. There's no reason for him to fall beyond Pick 24 or 25. I'd love to see him there at #31 but I think he's worked himself into a Top 6 WR in this draft class and there will be a mega run that starts in the early 20s that will quickly yank guys off the board.

For fun I am reading this whole thread from the beginning. Some of you are very smart football guys and have been on him from the start. Couldn't let this post go though. Bravo Phoenix, krizay, Waterbear, okdkid (thread starter) and others who were on him way back.

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by Niners_D:

I admit to being disappointed at first, however there are things to consider when looking at player valuation, and this is how the process seems to work:

1. The media initially salivates over certain stars and you begin to see other players rise in value as the college football season goes on.
2. The media's talking heads begin cementing their favorites and those players get promoted heavily on tv and the internet over a few months.
3. The media keeps feeding on each other to the point that they ultimately start eating each other's cooking and there becomes a consensus on player rankings within their circles.
4. Meanwhile scouts, coaches, and GM's predominantly insulate from the chatter and form their own opinions based on film, evaluations, and interviews.
5. When a player is drafted outside of the medias herd-mentality consensus, the media loses it and can't handle that a GM disagreed with their superior knowledge.

Sounds like the way propaganda and fake news works

This is basically draft season. Talking heads on TV clamoring over their favorites, GMs looking at the tv thinking they're all idiots and fans crying cause they didn't get the big name. Rinse and repeat.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I feel like they're opposites. Harry was a contested catch guy. Aiyuk isn't that. He can separate, I'd like him to be more physical when he's gotta go up and get it and deal with those CBs that are just as quick as him.

I'm gonna be ripping pissed if he turns into Pettis 2.0.

his contested catches was my only concern. Then i seen a stat where he, Jeudy and Ruggs were the lowest 3 in terms of contested catch target percentage. He was 2 of 8. Not like he had a ton of chances there. And one of the misses he had the ball over 2 dudes and lost it when he hit the ground.

I mean with his long arms, big hands, and high vert I think he has potential to become a solid contested catcher. From the get go you can kind of tell Pettis is soft, but this guy looks like he ready to ball out from the get go.

Originally posted by okdkid:
Probably the most Shanahan-y WR in the draft. Just can't pass that up after going so hard after Harry last year.

you have been saying that since day 1. Insert kid with the respect hat tipping it to yourself cuz I don't know how to insert GIFs

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Pac 12?

Originally posted by krizay:

Agreed.

Unfortunately, still need a CB and IOL.

Can probably get Onwenu at 157.

Looks like we'll be trading for some CBs. I smell Rasul Douglas and maybe a Quincy Wilson

Yes we still need 2 positions, Kriz but it is interesting that for every one of the 212 guys taken in draft, there are at least 4 or 5 more per draftee, that also played college ball and didn't make it to combine/ draft. Baalke was terrible about UDFAs, but John L has been fantastic with them. Expect to see hordes of guys, esp OLs (IOLs in particular) and CBs flood the campus as soon as it opens up...altho how exactly that works in these times, who knows. I can't wait for our magic rd, rd 5.

Also we are coming up to rd 5 where JL has been deadly wiht Kittle, TT, and DJ Jones to name 3. And DJ was either rd 6 or 7. So there is tons of time for trades, UDFAs , and remember also, at midseason we got both JImmyG and Emmanuel sanders. So tons of guys to look at yet,

Originally posted by kansasninerfan:

Originally posted by okdkid:
Probably the most Shanahan-y WR in the draft. Just can't pass that up after going so hard after Harry last year.

you have been saying that since day 1. Insert kid with the respect hat tipping it to yourself cuz I don't know how to insert GIFs

haha, it's all good bro. Should be fun in this offense.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by titan:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by titan:

Type of player to still run 4.5 with pads on. I bet Ruggs is 4.4- 4.5 with gear on.

Based on?

Him running 4.5 with no pads and running the same speed with pads on.

You conveniently ignored the bold. Glad to know you timed Aiyuk in the 40 with pads on tho.

No I just ignore you!!! It's just football talk know it all!! Now Go pry that stick off!!! 😂

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

3 picks for a player who likely would have been there at 31. This team doesn't understand value. we gave up the pick we got from the bucs. Thus negating a great trade for a terrible trade. Reminder: We have no corners signed after next year. This team will regress big time.

So here's a question for you. Aiyuk would have been a perfect fit for Packers , among others. How does anyone know that they wouldn't have taken the one guy kyle and john wanted at #14? And on THEIR board he was #14 or #14b. Does it matter what the rest of the league values him at when our HC and GM rate him at #14?

If this were a Dallas Center , rated league wide in 7th rd, maybe 6th, and big Jer, GM Jer takes him in 2nd rd, that is one thing. (That actually happened one yr). But here we are talking about 5 slots and it is the only WR kyle really wanted. I know , i know, pettis, Jet, Hurd...the last two still could be winners, but not pettis...i don't think. So kyle has a track record of doing this. But when the player actually fits the scheme to perfection and is the only guy he wants....man I think you have to give him some leeway there. What's to say others had him rated wrong primarily because of just 1 yr at ASU? I didn't like the Pettis pick nor jumping up for Joe Williams, but this one i did like and can't find fault with it.

Also this draft isn't over and John makes his living in rd 5. (Kittle, TT, and DJ Jones. rd 6-7) plus JL is great about running thru the literal several hundred candidates that didn't get drafted. On top of that there still are trades and last minute cuts of the 95...we have gotten one of those i believe. And then, mid season, we traded for JimmyG and Emmanuel sanders. So there is a lot of horse trading left or discovery of a pearl or two.

Which brings me back to the question above.

Beyond what you see on tapes of this kid, here's another pretty important factor. AZ St HC Herm Edwards and Shanahan have been good friends for quite some time. There's obviously trust between the two...so, when Coach asked Edwards about Aiyuk, there was no hesitation to give Shanahan two big thumbs up. I have a lot of respect for Herman Edwards...heckuva football coach and has done a remarkable job resurrecting the AZ St football program.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GhostOfBaalke:

Lol bro you're completely overreacting. We got that 4th rounder for moving down one spot. We didn't have that pick going into the draft.

We kept pick 156. 10th pick in the 5th round. And gave up 176. 30th pick in the 5th lol

Dude your missing the pt. Those 1st rd picks (at least one of them) should have been to move down and actually acquire more picks. Like meaningful picks. Instead they reached for another WR

They have one 5th one 6th and one 7th lol. Draft is basically over.

I don't think he was the 25th overall player in this draft, let alone adding a 4th and 5th to that.

NY i could agree with you on Joe Williams, Pettis, and i think there was one more...maybe not...but here, while i wish we had kept a pick in 3rd or 4th round, i think this kid, with the 81" wingspan is truly something special . I saw as much film as i could in a couple hours and think he is sensational, but in kyle's Scheming offense, he is perfect. What if he turns out to be the next kittle, altho differently? Would you still hate this pick then? I think your opinion should really wait, like the rest of us until we see how Aiyuk plays out.

I kinda get the feeling you are upset on general terms, and that i understand. But what if this kid is , as it appears, truly the real deal? Would you change your mind then, even tho we lost picks rds 2-4? It seems it would be fair with Aiyuk to at least wait until we see what he can do for us. With pettis and Williams it was pretty obvious pretty soon . Here i think the same will happen, but for the positive, not negative. Man if KS /JL wanted him at 14 b, i think he deserves a chance to prove some folks wrong.

It will be of interest to see the reaction of those who dinged this pick ...when Aiyuk breaks out. You included. And vice versa.