"Hog Molly" OL prospects 2020

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
We won't have the cap space to sign Williams to a long-term deal (we will this year if we wipe out Staley's deal, but we won't going forward). That's why we had to let Buckner go in exchange for the 13th pick in the first place. Williams wants to sign a new deal worth $20+ million/year. He's injury prone so he won't be paid as much as guys like Tyron Smith and Ronnie Stanley when they sign new deals, but he's likely to get at least $18 million/year from someone.

It's hard to maintain a Super Bowl roster. Guys will want to get paid and we're already committing $27 million/year to Garoppolo. Drafting a replacement and having a cost-controlled LT makes a lot more sense.

If Joe retires yes we do.

SF is looking at around $60M in cap space in 2021. They have cash. They didn't pay Buck because they didn't think he was worth $21M a yr.

Assuming the cap increases to $210 million, we'd be $56.8 million under the cap with 31 players under contract. That's without Kittle, most of our RBs (Coleman, Breida, McKinnon), Juice, Gould (he may retire, but we need to replace him if so), Tartt, Solomon Thomas, Bourne, Sherman, Witherspoon, etc.

Kittle is going to get ~$14-15 million/year (Hooper got $10.5 million/year and Hunter Henry got $10.7 million for one year).
Sherman may get $7-8 million/year on a short term (2-3 year) deal (or we'll have to replace him).
Tartt will get ~$7-8 million/year.
Thomas will get ~$5 million/year.
Juszczyk will get ~$5 million/year.
One of our RBs will get ~5 million/year (to rotate with Mostert who is signed through 2021).
#13 pick will cost ~$3.7 million (#13 pick in 2019 Wilkins has a $3.5 million cap hit year 2)
#31 will cost ~$2.5 million

That's $45 million of cap space (it adds up to slightly over $50 million, but cap hits are typically smaller in year 1) and we haven't paid a kicker or re-signed Bourne, Witherspoon, Blair, Coleman, Beathard, Brunskill, Jones, Compton, etc.

Spotrac is more accurate because it factors in salaries for the top 51 players (and bumps up reserve players who are making the minimum salary to replace free agents. We are 28th out of 32 teams in 2021 cap space on Spotrac at $33.5 million under the cap. We're in a very different situation than we were heading into 2018 and 2019 free agency.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2021/

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Day 3 prospect Jack Driscoll our of Auburn

He's 6-5 311 and will more than likely push inside. He's a scheme fit for zone blocking has good hands and has no issue getting to the second level.

He's got to get stronger, Lacks length, and is a scheme fit only OL

UMASS/Auburn grad transfer Jack Driscoll working the run game. pic.twitter.com/UixF2OADf7

— Cole Cubelic (@colecubelic) April 26, 2018

Agility is another strength of UMASS/Auburn grad transfer Jack Driscoll game. Climbs to the 2nd level well: pic.twitter.com/7Et31DcqAC

— Cole Cubelic (@colecubelic) April 26, 2018

Hello Jack Driscoll pic.twitter.com/zXEtsw2iu1

— Russell Brown (@RussNFLDraft) March 4, 2020

As an Auburn guy I have watched a lot of Driscoll, well at least his time at Auburn. His issue has always been size. Dude was 290 at one time......

But ill make one point, and then ill give you my favorite Driscoll quote.

Auburn played a lot of no huddle, and you have to have serious stamina as an online player for that. So you know he is not getting tired or worn out.

in 2018 He did not give up a single sack. But let his QB get hit twice. He vowed to not let that happen again.

In 2019 he ended up giving up a sack, but he went nearly 900 snaps and that was the ONLY time his guy touched the QB.

In two years of the SEC, in Gus Malzans offense no less...his guy only touched the QB 3 times his entire time there.

let that sink in, and here is that Quote I promised.....

I'm not a rah-rah guy. I'm not a loud guy. I just like to stare someone down. When we start the game, those edge rushers are pretty confident going in. As the game goes on and you're struggling with me, I'll just stare you down and I start to see their facial expressions change. When he doesn't wanna look me in the face anymore, I know he's about to quit. That's when I put my foot down and finish you off. That's how I look at it. When I see someone's eyes and they start looking down, or maybe they start yelling at their teammates or complaining to the ref about something, I know that's the moment when I can put the nail in the coffin. I'm gonna get after you.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Trent Williams? Dude is going to be 32 years old, riddled with injuries and Snyder hates Kyle. There's no way that happens.

I don't foresee this team having the opportunity to grab a tackle early in the draft in the coming years. Grab that your tackle if you can now and stabilize the most important position on the OL for years to come.

Riddled? He had a tumor on the back of his head. He's had a yr to recover. Go listen to kyle talk about him.

Not ever player needs to be a guy for the next 10 yrs and we actually know he's a top 5 LT in the NFL.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Jack Driscoll's hand distribution while keeping his feet moving is what makes him one of the better OL technicians in college football. #NFLDraft #Auburn pic.twitter.com/WEgL5SexrC

— Christian Page (@_ChristianPage) August 4, 2019

Since i am here in this thread.

I could be wrong on this, but I am pretty sure Driscoll played Center during his first A-Day game at Auburn (that's Auburn's Spring game).

He very well might be viable at Center.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Riddled? He had a tumor on the back of his head. He's had a yr to recover. Go listen to kyle talk about him.

Not ever player needs to be a guy for the next 10 yrs and we actually know he's a top 5 LT in the NFL.

Concussion in 2013, torn MCL in 204, thigh injury in 2015, knee injury 2017, and then tumor in 2019.

But this all moot because Snyder would rather eat s**t than help a Shanahan.

Originally posted by Heroism:
Concussion in 2013, torn MCL in 204, thigh injury in 2015, knee injury 2017, and then tumor in 2019.

But this all moot because Snyder would rather eat s**t than help a Shanahan.

lol

Well when you put it like that......

Originally posted by Dshearn:
lol

Well when you put it like that......

That's the a*****e that deliberately franchise tagged Kirk Cousins year after year with no intention of resigning him only to keep him away from Kyle Shanahan. That's how deep the hatred between Dan Snyder and the Shanahans runs.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Riddled? He had a tumor on the back of his head. He's had a yr to recover. Go listen to kyle talk about him.

Not ever player needs to be a guy for the next 10 yrs and we actually know he's a top 5 LT in the NFL.

He hasn't played a full season since 2013. He has that Iupati issue going where even when he has been "healthy", he has been all dinged up.

No freaking way this dude makes it to 31

Originally posted by Heroism:

Concussion in 2013, torn MCL in 204, thigh injury in 2015, knee injury 2017, and then tumor in 2019.

But this all moot because Snyder would rather eat s**t than help a Shanahan.

This is the only reason he probably doesn't end up in SF....that said big Joe isn't retiring after being 7 mins away from winning a SB and signing a new deal.

I'll be shocked if he retires

Originally posted by NCommand:

No freaking way this dude makes it to 31

Cesar Ruiz, one of the top interior offensive lineman in this draft class, is receiving a ton of interest. He's already met with 20 teams that include the #Dolphins and #Bears. He also has FaceTime meetings with the #Giants and #Jets in the coming days, per source.

— Jordan Reid (@JReidNFL) April 4, 2020

The only team that has a higher pick is the Phins at 18 and 26. He's not the 26th highest ranked player in this draft at all.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Riddled? He had a tumor on the back of his head. He's had a yr to recover. Go listen to kyle talk about him.

Not ever player needs to be a guy for the next 10 yrs and we actually know he's a top 5 LT in the NFL.

He hasn't played a full season since 2013. He has that Iupati issue going where even when he has been "healthy", he has been all dinged up.

And shanahan would trade for him in a heartbeat, you know this.

Snyder most likely wouldn't though

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Day 3 prospect Jack Driscoll our of Auburn

He's 6-5 311 and will more than likely push inside. He's a scheme fit for zone blocking has good hands and has no issue getting to the second level.

He's got to get stronger, Lacks length, and is a scheme fit only OL

UMASS/Auburn grad transfer Jack Driscoll working the run game. pic.twitter.com/UixF2OADf7

— Cole Cubelic (@colecubelic) April 26, 2018

Agility is another strength of UMASS/Auburn grad transfer Jack Driscoll game. Climbs to the 2nd level well: pic.twitter.com/7Et31DcqAC

— Cole Cubelic (@colecubelic) April 26, 2018

Hello Jack Driscoll pic.twitter.com/zXEtsw2iu1

— Russell Brown (@RussNFLDraft) March 4, 2020

As an Auburn guy I have watched a lot of Driscoll, well at least his time at Auburn. His issue has always been size. Dude was 290 at one time......

But ill make one point, and then ill give you my favorite Driscoll quote.

Auburn played a lot of no huddle, and you have to have serious stamina as an online player for that. So you know he is not getting tired or worn out.

in 2018 He did not give up a single sack. But let his QB get hit twice. He vowed to not let that happen again.

In 2019 he ended up giving up a sack, but he went nearly 900 snaps and that was the ONLY time his guy touched the QB.

In two years of the SEC, in Gus Malzans offense no less...his guy only touched the QB 3 times his entire time there.

let that sink in, and here is that Quote I promised.....

I'm not a rah-rah guy. I'm not a loud guy. I just like to stare someone down. When we start the game, those edge rushers are pretty confident going in. As the game goes on and you're struggling with me, I'll just stare you down and I start to see their facial expressions change. When he doesn't wanna look me in the face anymore, I know he's about to quit. That's when I put my foot down and finish you off. That's how I look at it. When I see someone's eyes and they start looking down, or maybe they start yelling at their teammates or complaining to the ref about something, I know that's the moment when I can put the nail in the coffin. I'm gonna get after you.

Thanks for this.. I'm telling ya he's a fit for this team.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

We won't have the cap space to sign Williams to a long-term deal (we will this year if we wipe out Staley's deal, but we won't going forward). That's why we had to let Buckner go in exchange for the 13th pick in the first place. Williams wants to sign a new deal worth $20+ million/year. He's injury prone so he won't be paid as much as guys like Tyron Smith and Ronnie Stanley when they sign new deals, but he's likely to get at least $18 million/year from someone.

It's hard to maintain a Super Bowl roster. Guys will want to get paid and we're already committing $27 million/year to Garoppolo. Drafting a replacement and having a cost-controlled LT makes a lot more sense.

If Joe retires yes we do.

SF is looking at around $60M in cap space in 2021. They have cash. They didn't pay Buck because they didn't think he was worth $21M a yr.

Assuming the cap increases to $210 million, we'd be $56.8 million under the cap with 31 players under contract. That's without Kittle, most of our RBs (Coleman, Breida, McKinnon), Juice, Gould (he may retire, but we need to replace him if so), Tartt, Solomon Thomas, Bourne, Sherman, Witherspoon, etc.

Kittle is going to get ~$14-15 million/year (Hooper got $10.5 million/year and Hunter Henry got $10.7 million for one year).
Sherman may get $7-8 million/year on a short term (2-3 year) deal (or we'll have to replace him).
Tartt will get ~$7-8 million/year.
Thomas will get ~$5 million/year.
Juszczyk will get ~$5 million/year.
One of our RBs will get ~5 million/year (to rotate with Mostert who is signed through 2021).
#13 pick will cost ~$3.7 million (#13 pick in 2019 Wilkins has a $3.5 million cap hit year 2)
#31 will cost ~$2.5 million

That's $45 million of cap space (it adds up to slightly over $50 million, but cap hits are typically smaller in year 1) and we haven't paid a kicker or re-signed Bourne, Witherspoon, Blair, Coleman, Beathard, Brunskill, Jones, Compton, etc.

Spotrac is more accurate because it factors in salaries for the top 51 players (and bumps up reserve players who are making the minimum salary to replace free agents. We are 28th out of 32 teams in 2021 cap space on Spotrac at $33.5 million under the cap. We're in a very different situation than we were heading into 2018 and 2019 free agency.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2021/

Toss in a jimmy G restructure and add like $19M to that if need be. Did you take Joe's $12.5M off the books if he retires? Since that's what this is all about.

Why they resigning Thomas and any of these RBs that aren't already under contact. You just adding money to add money.

They can do whatever they want if need be. It's always the the case with the cap space.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
We won't have the cap space to sign Williams to a long-term deal (we will this year if we wipe out Staley's deal, but we won't going forward). That's why we had to let Buckner go in exchange for the 13th pick in the first place. Williams wants to sign a new deal worth $20+ million/year. He's injury prone so he won't be paid as much as guys like Tyron Smith and Ronnie Stanley when they sign new deals, but he's likely to get at least $18 million/year from someone.

It's hard to maintain a Super Bowl roster. Guys will want to get paid and we're already committing $27 million/year to Garoppolo. Drafting a replacement and having a cost-controlled LT makes a lot more sense.

If Joe retires yes we do.

SF is looking at around $60M in cap space in 2021. They have cash. They didn't pay Buck because they didn't think he was worth $21M a yr.

Assuming the cap increases to $210 million, we'd be $56.8 million under the cap with 31 players under contract. That's without Kittle, most of our RBs (Coleman, Breida, McKinnon), Juice, Gould (he may retire, but we need to replace him if so), Tartt, Solomon Thomas, Bourne, Sherman, Witherspoon, etc.

Kittle is going to get ~$14-15 million/year (Hooper got $10.5 million/year and Hunter Henry got $10.7 million for one year).
Sherman may get $7-8 million/year on a short term (2-3 year) deal (or we'll have to replace him).
Tartt will get ~$7-8 million/year.
Thomas will get ~$5 million/year.
Juszczyk will get ~$5 million/year.
One of our RBs will get ~5 million/year (to rotate with Mostert who is signed through 2021).
#13 pick will cost ~$3.7 million (#13 pick in 2019 Wilkins has a $3.5 million cap hit year 2)
#31 will cost ~$2.5 million

That's $45 million of cap space (it adds up to slightly over $50 million, but cap hits are typically smaller in year 1) and we haven't paid a kicker or re-signed Bourne, Witherspoon, Blair, Coleman, Beathard, Brunskill, Jones, Compton, etc.

Spotrac is more accurate because it factors in salaries for the top 51 players (and bumps up reserve players who are making the minimum salary to replace free agents. We are 28th out of 32 teams in 2021 cap space on Spotrac at $33.5 million under the cap. We're in a very different situation than we were heading into 2018 and 2019 free agency.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2021/

Toss in a jimmy G restructure and add like $19M to that if need be. Did you take Joe's $12.5M off the books if he retires? Since that's what this is all about.

Why they resigning Thomas and any of these RBs that aren't already under contact. You just adding money to add money.

They can do whatever they want if need be. It's always the the case with the cap space.

I was going to add this. Why on earth would they resign Thomas? Unless he proves to be a viable starter at DT or magically becomes a prime Michael Bennett, he walks after this year. Paying him 5 million a year when you can draft a DT and pay less than that over the life of the rookie contract (if the player isn't a first round pick) is the better move.