Antonio Gibson-WR/RB/KR/STUD-Memphis

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Definitely should get him.
He would be our starting RB, get ~10 carries plus 3-5 passes per game so would be more impact than a WR that will only see ~5 touches per game

Couple things wrong with this:
1. He isn't likely to beat out Mostert who has played well this year, especially in the postseason.
2. His value add over Mostert/Coleman/Breida (if any at all) is likely much lower than a WR's impact over our #2 WR whether it's Bourne or someone else.

RBs get more touches than WRs in general but teams don't value them nearly as much. You can see that in contracts. Unless you have a RB like Barkley, the OL does most of the work and should get credit for most of the rushing production not the RB.

I'm fine with picking Gibson as a future cheap replacement for one of our RBs but he isn't going to contribute much in year 1. I can't see us picking him ahead of teams that actually have a need at RB.

Gibson looks like a late 2nd round pick which we are better off using to address a need like WR, DT, CB, or OL.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Definitely should get him.
He would be our starting RB, get ~10 carries plus 3-5 passes per game so would be more impact than a WR that will only see ~5 touches per game

Couple things wrong with this:
1. He isn't likely to beat out Mostert who has played well this year, especially in the postseason.
2. His value add over Mostert/Coleman/Breida (if any at all) is likely much lower than a WR's impact over our #2 WR whether it's Bourne or someone else.

RBs get more touches than WRs in general but teams don't value them nearly as much. You can see that in contracts. Unless you have a RB like Barkley, the OL does most of the work and should get credit for most of the rushing production not the RB.

I'm fine with picking Gibson as a future cheap replacement for one of our RBs but he isn't going to contribute much in year 1. I can't see us picking him ahead of teams that actually have a need at RB.

Gibson looks like a late 2nd round pick which we are better off using to address a need like WR, DT, CB, or OL.

100% agree. Dont get me wrong, Gibson would be a great add, but not the biggest need.

Originally posted by Butter:
100% agree. Dont get me wrong, Gibson would be a great add, but not the biggest need.

Some fans just want every good player they see no matter whether it's a need or a realistic pick. As I stated before, we would need about 20 first round picks to make everyone happy.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Some fans just want every good player they see no matter whether it's a need or a realistic pick. As I stated before, we would need about 20 first round picks to make everyone happy.

True. Trade down with Pats from 13 to 23+ 3 3rds+4th if they need a QB.
23- CB -Fulton
31-Aiyuk
Then you can get Gibson, Hennessy, Edge and DL On that 4th. Problem solved.

2nd is definitely out of niners reach. He was a day 3 prospect to draftniks a couple months ago.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Couple things wrong with this:
1. He isn't likely to beat out Mostert who has played well this year, especially in the postseason.

2. His value add over Mostert/Coleman/Breida (if any at all) is likely much lower than a WR's impact over our #2 WR whether it's Bourne or someone else.

RBs get more touches than WRs in general but teams don't value them nearly as much. You can see that in contracts. Unless you have a RB like Barkley, the OL does most of the work and should get credit for most of the rushing production not the RB.

I'm fine with picking Gibson as a future cheap replacement for one of our RBs but he isn't going to contribute much in year 1. I can't see us picking him ahead of teams that actually have a need at RB.

Gibson looks like a late 2nd round pick which we are better off using to address a need like WR, DT, CB, or OL.

1. What player are you drafting in the 3rd round that is an automatic starter? What we've seen in the last few years is this team continually runs out of RBs and they had to either bring guys in off the street or bump guys up from the practice squad. Depth has always been an issue and its very likely that Breida either gets cut or traded by the time the regular season starts. That he didn't get any RB snaps altogether in the SB wasn't a great look for him and he may have lost the trust of the coaching staff. Coleman is also carrying a relatively large cap number.

2. RB is about as plug and play as it gets so Gibson would absolutely be a contributor as a rookie, especially coming out of an offense in Memphis that ran a ton of outside zone.

3. As great as Mostert was running the football last season, he's not much of a threat as a receiver. Gibson is a fantastic receiving threat. He's a bigger and faster version of what Shanahan was hoping to get with McKinnon. Guys like that don't come along every single year and once you have one, you can attack the defense in so many different ways. I watched Bruce Arians utilize this to full effect with a pre-injury David Johnson who was one of the most terrifying offensive weapons in the league because he could beat you in so many ways.

4. There's no guarantee that they are able to afford Mostert long term, with Gibson in house you already have a guy signed long term that allows you to run your offense to maximum effect.

5. 6'2", 230 pound RBs that can run and catch the way Gibson does simply don't grow on trees. The word freak often gets overused but its certainly not wasted on Gibson whose size, athleticism and skillset makes him such a potentially devastating weapon with the right playcaller.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Some fans just want every good player they see no matter whether it's a need or a realistic pick. As I stated before, we would need about 20 first round picks to make everyone happy.

I don't think just any RB is worth a late 2nd/early 3rd round pick for this team since this scheme makes it easier to find guys in the latter rounds or pull guys off the street but Gibson's unique combination of skills would make him a true terror. Look at David Johnson in 2016 when he had 1,200 yards rushing and almost 900 yards receiving. I think that is what Gibson's ceiling looks like, a player that would give defenses fits because you can line him up virtually anywhere on offense and have him be an effective threat. For that I'd definitely be willing to drop a late 2nd/early 3rd.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Couple things wrong with this:
1. He isn't likely to beat out Mostert who has played well this year, especially in the postseason.

2. His value add over Mostert/Coleman/Breida (if any at all) is likely much lower than a WR's impact over our #2 WR whether it's Bourne or someone else.

RBs get more touches than WRs in general but teams don't value them nearly as much. You can see that in contracts. Unless you have a RB like Barkley, the OL does most of the work and should get credit for most of the rushing production not the RB.

I'm fine with picking Gibson as a future cheap replacement for one of our RBs but he isn't going to contribute much in year 1. I can't see us picking him ahead of teams that actually have a need at RB.

Gibson looks like a late 2nd round pick which we are better off using to address a need like WR, DT, CB, or OL.

1. What player are you drafting in the 3rd round that is an automatic starter? What we've seen in the last few years is this team continually runs out of RBs and they had to either bring guys in off the street or bump guys up from the practice squad. Depth has always been an issue and its very likely that Breida either gets cut or traded by the time the regular season starts. That he didn't get any RB snaps altogether in the SB wasn't a great look for him and he may have lost the trust of the coaching staff. Coleman is also carrying a relatively large cap number.

2. RB is about as plug and play as it gets so Gibson would absolutely be a contributor as a rookie, especially coming out of an offense in Memphis that ran a ton of outside zone.

3. As great as Mostert was running the football last season, he's not much of a threat as a receiver. Gibson is a fantastic receiving threat. He's a bigger and faster version of what Shanahan was hoping to get with McKinnon. Guys like that don't come along every single year and once you have one, you can attack the defense in so many different ways. I watched Bruce Arians utilize this to full effect with a pre-injury David Johnson who was one of the most terrifying offensive weapons in the league because he could beat you in so many ways.

4. There's no guarantee that they are able to afford Mostert long term, with Gibson in house you already have a guy signed long term that allows you to run your offense to maximum effect.

5. 6'2", 230 pound RBs that can run and catch the way Gibson does simply don't grow on trees. The word freak often gets overused but its certainly not wasted on Gibson whose size, athleticism and skillset makes him such a potentially devastating weapon with the right playcaller.

Yup, that's why I'm in the crowd of trading down from 13 now and get a guy like him and other potential players with the comps along with the second tier WR vs
Just one player at 13. See post above

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Couple things wrong with this:
1. He isn't likely to beat out Mostert who has played well this year, especially in the postseason.

2. His value add over Mostert/Coleman/Breida (if any at all) is likely much lower than a WR's impact over our #2 WR whether it's Bourne or someone else.

RBs get more touches than WRs in general but teams don't value them nearly as much. You can see that in contracts. Unless you have a RB like Barkley, the OL does most of the work and should get credit for most of the rushing production not the RB.

I'm fine with picking Gibson as a future cheap replacement for one of our RBs but he isn't going to contribute much in year 1. I can't see us picking him ahead of teams that actually have a need at RB.

Gibson looks like a late 2nd round pick which we are better off using to address a need like WR, DT, CB, or OL.

1. What player are you drafting in the 3rd round that is an automatic starter? What we've seen in the last few years is this team continually runs out of RBs and they had to either bring guys in off the street or bump guys up from the practice squad. Depth has always been an issue and its very likely that Breida either gets cut or traded by the time the regular season starts. That he didn't get any RB snaps altogether in the SB wasn't a great look for him and he may have lost the trust of the coaching staff. Coleman is also carrying a relatively large cap number.

2. RB is about as plug and play as it gets so Gibson would absolutely be a contributor as a rookie, especially coming out of an offense in Memphis that ran a ton of outside zone.

3. As great as Mostert was running the football last season, he's not much of a threat as a receiver. Gibson is a fantastic receiving threat. He's a bigger and faster version of what Shanahan was hoping to get with McKinnon. Guys like that don't come along every single year and once you have one, you can attack the defense in so many different ways. I watched Bruce Arians utilize this to full effect with a pre-injury David Johnson who was one of the most terrifying offensive weapons in the league because he could beat you in so many ways.

4. There's no guarantee that they are able to afford Mostert long term, with Gibson in house you already have a guy signed long term that allows you to run your offense to maximum effect.

5. 6'2", 230 pound RBs that can run and catch the way Gibson does simply don't grow on trees. The word freak often gets overused but its certainly not wasted on Gibson whose size, athleticism and skillset makes him such a potentially devastating weapon with the right playcaller.

I was responding to his comment that Gibson will add more value than a WR we draft because he'll get more touches. I'm assuming that we pick a WR round 1 so the round 1 WR will add more value than Gibson in round 2, but there are plenty of round 2 WRs in this draft who can start as rookies just like there were last year (Deebo, Brown, Hardman, Metcalf). I think Lamb, Ruggs, Jeudy, Jefferson, Aiyuk, and Mims go round 1 which leaves Reagor, Higgins, Shenault, Pittman, and Hamler in round 2.

If Gibson is as good as you're saying (David Johnson impact on a rookie deal), he'll be gone early round 2. I can't imagine him being more valuable to the 49ers than any other team given we have 3 capable starting RBs on the roster. That's nothing against him as a player - I just find it extremely unlikely that we'll pick a RB with one of our top picks in this draft. It's hard to assess whether he'll be plug and play too based on 34 career carries in college. You have to be able to read blocks in the NFL as Trent Richardson discovered. Tiny hands make fumbling a potential concern too.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
I was responding to his comment that Gibson will add more value than a WR we draft because he'll get more touches. I'm assuming that we pick a WR round 1 so the round 1 WR will add more value than Gibson in round 2, but there are plenty of round 2 WRs in this draft who can start as rookies just like there were last year (Deebo, Brown, Hardman, Metcalf). I think Lamb, Ruggs, Jeudy, Jefferson, Aiyuk, and Mims go round 1 which leaves Reagor, Higgins, Shenault, Pittman, and Hamler in round 2.

If Gibson is as good as you're saying (David Johnson impact on a rookie deal), he'll be gone early round 2. I can't imagine him being more valuable to the 49ers than any other team given we have 3 capable starting RBs on the roster. That's nothing against him as a player - I just find it extremely unlikely that we'll pick a RB with one of our top picks in this draft. It's hard to assess whether he'll be plug and play too based on 34 career carries in college. You have to be able to read blocks in the NFL as Trent Richardson discovered. Tiny hands make fumbling a potential concern too.

Gibson isn't really a conventional RB. Unless you have the playcaller to fully utilize him, teams will probably gravitate more towards more established guys like Swift, Taylor, Edwards-Helaire, Dobbins early on...etc so its a strong possibility that Gibson is still around in the early 3rd round. I think for what Shanahan is looking for, he'd be a tremendous fit, creating so many options for how you can utilize him and move him around the offense to attack defenses at their weakest spots.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

.... but Gibson's unique combination of skills would make him a true terror. Look at David Johnson in 2016 when he had 1,200 yards rushing and almost 900 yards receiving. I think that is what Gibson's ceiling looks like, a player that would give defenses fits because you can line him up virtually anywhere on offense and have him be an effective threat. For that I'd definitely be willing to drop a late 2nd/early 3rd.

Definitely, a great RB is super valuable and Gibson has pro-bowl upside. Definitely worth a 3rd
Gibson is mocked in the 4th, but I think he will go in 3rd.

I really wish we can land this guy

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Couple things wrong with this:
1. He isn't likely to beat out Mostert who has played well this year, especially in the postseason.

2. His value add over Mostert/Coleman/Breida (if any at all) is likely much lower than a WR's impact over our #2 WR whether it's Bourne or someone else.

RBs get more touches than WRs in general but teams don't value them nearly as much. You can see that in contracts. Unless you have a RB like Barkley, the OL does most of the work and should get credit for most of the rushing production not the RB.

I'm fine with picking Gibson as a future cheap replacement for one of our RBs but he isn't going to contribute much in year 1. I can't see us picking him ahead of teams that actually have a need at RB.

Gibson looks like a late 2nd round pick which we are better off using to address a need like WR, DT, CB, or OL.

1. What player are you drafting in the 3rd round that is an automatic starter? What we've seen in the last few years is this team continually runs out of RBs and they had to either bring guys in off the street or bump guys up from the practice squad. Depth has always been an issue and its very likely that Breida either gets cut or traded by the time the regular season starts. That he didn't get any RB snaps altogether in the SB wasn't a great look for him and he may have lost the trust of the coaching staff. Coleman is also carrying a relatively large cap number.

2. RB is about as plug and play as it gets so Gibson would absolutely be a contributor as a rookie, especially coming out of an offense in Memphis that ran a ton of outside zone.

3. As great as Mostert was running the football last season, he's not much of a threat as a receiver. Gibson is a fantastic receiving threat. He's a bigger and faster version of what Shanahan was hoping to get with McKinnon. Guys like that don't come along every single year and once you have one, you can attack the defense in so many different ways. I watched Bruce Arians utilize this to full effect with a pre-injury David Johnson who was one of the most terrifying offensive weapons in the league because he could beat you in so many ways.

4. There's no guarantee that they are able to afford Mostert long term, with Gibson in house you already have a guy signed long term that allows you to run your offense to maximum effect.

5. 6'2", 230 pound RBs that can run and catch the way Gibson does simply don't grow on trees. The word freak often gets overused but its certainly not wasted on Gibson whose size, athleticism and skillset makes him such a potentially devastating weapon with the right playcaller.

So if you had a choice between Matt Hennessy and Gibson, who do you take?

IF we can trade out of the 31st and land in the early part of the 2nd, I'd take GIBSON in a heart beat !!

Some have said Gibson should he available in the 4th round so it is hard to project where he is supposed to go.

Gibson has high value in both RB and WR. He'll go a lot earlier than projected. Book it..