13th pick

Originally posted by hello49:

Just wondering.... If Cleveland calls and said they'd trade OBJ to us for the #13 pick, would you do it???

Nope

Originally posted by Eastcoast49er:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Trade 13 and 31 to the redskins.

They may can just trade 13 and Dee Ford plus a 1 round pick next year

Stop playing! If we could make that trade, take Chase Young...then grab Mims at 31...OMG!!!

Originally posted by Zachary:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by LVJay:
This dude is faster than Bolt snag eem!!

he is around 3 miles per hour slower then Bolt, same ball park....but not competitive.

Wonder without pads doe

NFL players are timed on a fast track in track shoes with no pads,

IF you ever want to see something interesting, google some of these fast guys numbers on artificial surfaces versus grass surfaces. Natural grass really effects your hyper-elite quick twitch pass rushers, and your "burner" WRs.

The interesting thing about these Bama WRs, they are coming off a natural Bermuda Grass field. That is not a fast playing surface, this is a deep root style surface and generally gives an advantage to longer cleat length.

Originally posted by hello49:
Just wondering.... If Cleveland calls and said they'd trade OBJ to us for the #13 pick, would you do it???

We got the pick as a consolation prize for not wanting to be in cap hell.

Trading for OBJ unless he agrees to a restructure would put us back in cap hell and even if he does I think I'd still have to keep pick 13. There's no guarantee one of the top 3 would be remotely as good as OBJ but we'd basically have 5 years to find out without paying a ridiculous amount of money

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by hello49:
Just wondering.... If Cleveland calls and said they'd trade OBJ to us for the #13 pick, would you do it???

Nope

I disagree...

HELL to the NOPE

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by hello49:
Just wondering.... If Cleveland calls and said they'd trade OBJ to us for the #13 pick, would you do it???

Nope

I disagree...

HELL to the NOPE

#31..yes

Taking a DT at 13 is not an option. We have good enough depth. We need to go CB, WR or OLine in the 1st.

Originally posted by Zachary:

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by LVJay:
This dude is faster than Bolt snag eem!!

he is around 3 miles per hour slower then Bolt, same ball park....but not competitive.

Wonder without pads doe

Not even close to Bolt or any top sprinter in the world. The fastest receie rin college last year is a guy at Auburn who ran a 10.05 in the 100 meters. That wouldn't even qualify for the finals at a lot of world class track meets.

Bolt was never timed in the 40 but they did calculate his 40 time using tape in it was between 3.9 and 4.0 and he wasn't usually ahead at 40 meters. He didn't get rolling until the second 50.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Taking a DT at 13 is not an option. We have good enough depth. We need to go CB, WR or OLine in the 1st.

I hear ya but wow, Derrick Brown would be tough to pass up if he's there.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by genus49:
Have you missed the impact Tyreek Hill has had on the Chiefs?

And before you bring up Mahomes' arm...Alex Smith would like a word with you.

That's because the Chiefs have a QB that scrambles around to keep plays alive and has one of the best arms in the league. Very few teams throw the ball deep effectively. it's by far the least accurate of all pass plays so they use it at the end of half or trying to play catch up. We've had several receivers over the years that have run sub 4.3 and not one has led the league in receptions. At Alabama last year, Jeudy had 77 receptions and Ruggs had 40 against college defenses which aren't close to NFL defenses. If speed was such a huge advantage, why aren't these super fast guys leading the league all the time. Answer is pretty obvious. The QB throws to who is getting open.

If the 4.28 guy can run the same routes, get open just as often and catch the ball as well he would be getting those targets since the speed after the catch would be an advantage. Goodwin has the speed but doesn't run great routes and has bad hands. When you watch a track meet, they show that freeze frame at the finish of the 100 meters. The distance between the top 3 or 4 finishers is sometime 2 or 3 strides from first to 4th but the time will be 9.75, 9.78, 9.85 and 9.9. And these are guys that are running flat out with nobody to bump them or hand fight as the are going down the field.

I like speed too but too many put way more importance on it than I do. If it was really that important, the fastest guy would get picked first every year. Of course we know that's not how it works. If the fastest guy is the best receiver then you pick him but that's not usually the case.

First of all I put it right there in the post for you or anyone else going to the "Mahomes"

Alex Smith with Tyreek Hill was one of the top QBs that season with some of the biggest plays. Smith's arm isn't any better than Jimmy's.

You don't need a Mahomes to take advantage of deep speed like that. Sure having a guy like Mahomes REALLY makes guys like Hill, Ruggs dangerous because the QB can just launch the ball and those guys can run up to them.

I'm confident Jimmy has enough arm to utilize that type of speed, especially with Kyle's play design.

And blaming Rugg's lack of catches/production as a way of diminishing his speed is silly. Bama was stacked at WR his whole career there

Calvin Ridley, Irv Smith Jr, Jeudy, Devonta Smith...only so many catches to go around.

Ruggs isn't Marquise Goodwin. He has the speed but he also runs a full route tree, gets production all over the place when he gets the ball and has made the most of his catches with great hands.

People acting like Ruggs isn't a polished WR just because he's fast aren't looking at him enough.

Originally posted by 9erguy:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by hello49:
Just wondering.... If Cleveland calls and said they'd trade OBJ to us for the #13 pick, would you do it???

Nope

I disagree...

HELL to the NOPE

#31..yes

If he's willing to rework his contract maybe.

Originally posted by Dshearn:
From a guy who was at his physical peak when college teams were figuring out how to understand 40 times....... I agree with CatchMaster60.

I have told this story several times over the years, but i went from a 4.62 down to a 4.47 during a 3 week summer camp that TRAINED on how to run the 40. It did not make me functionally faster.

I played on two teams that produced NFL players. One of them a skill position player, (Irving Spikes) and the fastest he ever ran the 40 was 4.63 (4.69 combine time)... I never caught that guy from behind during practice, or trying to block for him on special teams....ever.....period..... We played Terrel Buckley twice, he out ran T Buck at LEAST once for a long TD (thats a 4.39 Pro Bowl CB.....and for the record T Buck beat me for a 69 yard TD once...never caught him either but it was closer then how Spikes use to run away from me, no hard feelings tho, I ended up working for the Terrel Buckley Foundation later on, very....very....cool dude)

the problem with using 40 times to determine speed, is you are dealing with a measurement that is better suited to show acceleration then speed. That is what makes CatchMaster's statement entirely true.

Over the the length of 40 yards the difference between 4.30 and 4.45 could be with-in the wingspan of the average 6 foot CB.

in fact based on stride and height of the player ( again the reason Catch Master is correct) you could have a 4.6 guy running by 4.2 or 4.3 guys based on length of the field or angles, simply watch ANY of Jerry Rices high light reels and that will be very apparent.

40 times are a staple that are used to show how quick someone is, they are not the end all be all, and in the case of WRs don't tell us who will dominate the NFL.

In the open field MPH at full stride is king....period.....

Did Pascagoula beat yall?

Now I am interested in the draft... Dammit!

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9erguy:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by hello49:
Just wondering.... If Cleveland calls and said they'd trade OBJ to us for the #13 pick, would you do it???

Nope

I disagree...

HELL to the NOPE

#31..yes

If he's willing to rework his contract maybe.

For the 31st pick in a heartbeat, no questions asked.

Then with 13 trade back for a later 1st and maybe a 3rd and pick up a CB and OT.