13th pick

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:
Not sure why you're fixated on 40 time. Speed in game film is readily apparent and the Combine only serves as further confirmation. We're not talking about a case of someone who is realistically average but because they developed superior technique, look just a little faster in shorts on a track than what their game performance might indicate.

This is not speed that can be learned, this is pure filthy speed that is a natural gift that you either have or you don't. This is track speed AND football speed, if you can move this fast you are an elite subset of an elite subset of an already tiny number of human beings on Earth.

'Game speed'

Ruggs has a 'calmness' to his sprint mechanics that makes it incredibly difficult to gauge proper pursuit angles.

Historically, when it comes to true game speed Ruggs is part of a short list of ball-carriers.

He's in a conversation with names like Johnson & Hill. pic.twitter.com/THZ2lma6oM

— AngeloFF (@angelo_fantasy) March 8, 2020

'Game speed'

NFL defenses will have to respect Ruggs' top-end speed & acceleration capabilities by giving their corners the necessary cushion to prevent them from getting beat vertically.

Alabama's analytics department had him at 24.3 mph on this play.

Unfathomable, if true. pic.twitter.com/EHiHPXTm3T

— AngeloFF (@angelo_fantasy) March 8, 2020

You're talking about a miniscule number of people who can already run this fast and now you throw in route running ability and hands and it goes well beyond just a guy who can run fast in a straight line.

Ruggs is the real deal. He is my clear WR 1 in this draft....by far.

Originally posted by gold49digger:
It's nice being excited for the draft again! I knew we weren't gonna do s**t in free agency so I'm glad I can get some excitement during the offseason.

Yeah, it feels good.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
It's nice being excited for the draft again! I knew we weren't gonna do s**t in free agency so I'm glad I can get some excitement during the offseason.

Yeah, it feels good.

I was already excited and curious to see how we would play this, drafting from the bottom. I was still confident in putting together a good draft because some of our biggest hits have come after pick 31 (DJ Jones, Trent Taylor, George Kittle in 17, Fred Warner in 18, Samuel and Greenlaw in 19). So I figure they are definitely good to add two starters, particularly if they trade out of pick 31. But NOW with pick 13, we can add a game breaking receiver which can change....everything for our offense. Crossing my fingers hoping Ruggs is the guy.

Originally posted by mayo49:
I think we should stay at #13 and take best WR, DT or OL available.

If we take another DT/DL in the 1st round the WebZone server will crash. Lol

Originally posted by ninersrule4:

Hypothetical if a team wanted to move up to 13 what is fair value for that? Could we pick up a 2nd?

This should be of help to you :

Value chart is just a guideline, how desperate they are and what they have is the another. Also can't gage what a pick is worth if you trade a future pick. Like our 2nd, 3rd and 4th, at the time it was given, many would thought would be mid round, but ended up at the bottom.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I think we should stay at #13 and take best WR, DT or OL available.

If we take another DT/DL in the 1st round the WebZone server will crash. Lol

WR is the sexy pick, but getting younger while maintaining (if lucky even getting better) the defense-getting Derrick Brown or Javon Kinlaw would not surprise me, but yeah all the ones who like sexy names will have an aneurysm.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by miked1978:

Did Pascagoula beat yall?

Yeah..... they went 14-0 (took state) and then 10-2 the following year. I don't remember the score just we that we needed a TD at the end to win it.

I think they had Shane Matthews too? I was a few years behind yall.

I think a lot depends on whether we sign Sanders or not.

Even if we sign him we may go WR especially if Ruggs or Jeudy are there. But it's also possible Kyle will want his guys to step it up and roll with who we have(or bring in a WR with a later pick who may not be as ready to start)

BPA works or allows us to trade down and get even more draft capital to work with.

Lots of options. We're in a good spot and just have to hope the guy(s) we take are going to work out.

If we can come anywhere close to our draft last year at their respective positions...we'll be in great shape.

My dream first round would be Ruggs and Ruiz but I doubt Ruiz will fall to 31.

13 = 20(1),68(3)
or
13 = 20(1),88(3),100(4)

I'm not seeing a lot of value in trading out of 13th. Unless you drop into the mid 20's, you will barely get a mid level 2nd pick. Over course, other factors like team desperation and last minute trades will affect value differently than a chart.

At this point I feel like we should sit where we are and take two guys in the 1st. We don't need a lot of draft picks to fill out this roster. Lots of guys returning from injury will feel like we got more picks and FA's.

Say our guy is gone at 13 and the next one isn't worth 13. Then we trade back a few spots and get him. But I don't think we approach this as "we need to get as many picks as we can".

I don't like WR in a high 1st pick. Does someone have the stats on WR taken in the top 15 of the draft that actually become #1? My gut feeling without researching is probably 50%.

I feel like we need OL and CB more than any other position. Need to replace Staley and Sherman. Why not get those guys this year?

Oh, and just for fun 13 and 31 gets you the #5 in chart value.

Edit:

So I went and did a short research on top 15 WR the past 5 drafts:

2015 Cooper #4, K. White #7, D. Parker #14
2016 C. Coleman #15
2017 C. Davis #5, M. Williams #7, J. Ross #9
2018 none
2019 none

That's 1 maybe 2 that became a #1 WR. This draft class may be better than those past years. but it sure doesn't look like WR in the top 15 is a sure thing.

After giving it much thought, we should go O-lineman & WR (Not in that order) with our first two picks (12 & 31st).

Grabbing a CB at 13 doesn't make sense since they no longer let those guys play football. I would actually go DL before CB since a CB won't neccesarily impact the game. I mean look at what the Rams gave up for Ramsey and what they got in return?

The game is geared toward offense, so you either go WR and O/L or you draft a front player that can actually impact the defense ala a LB or DL.

We couldn't cover anyone in the super bowl with RICHARD SHERMAN! So what will a rookie bring to our coverage packages?

Ruggs or Juedy (SP) and a O-lineman would be nice.

Originally posted by 9ers4u:

13 = 20(1),68(3)
or
13 = 20(1),88(3),100(4)

I'm not seeing a lot of value in trading out of 13th. Unless you drop into the mid 20's, you will barely get a mid level 2nd pick. Over course, other factors like team desperation and last minute trades will affect value differently than a chart.

At this point I feel like we should sit where we are and take two guys in the 1st. We don't need a lot of draft picks to fill out this roster. Lots of guys returning from injury will feel like we got more picks and FA's.

Say our guy is gone at 13 and the next one isn't worth 13. Then we trade back a few spots and get him. But I don't think we approach this as "we need to get as many picks as we can".

I don't like WR in a high 1st pick. Does someone have the stats on WR taken in the top 15 of the draft that actually become #1? My gut feeling without researching is probably 50%.

I feel like we need OL and CB more than any other position. Need to replace Staley and Sherman. Why not get those guys this year?

Oh, and just for fun 13 and 31 gets you the #5 in chart value.

Edit:

So I went and did a short research on top 15 WR the past 5 drafts:

2015 Cooper #4, K. White #7, D. Parker #14
2016 C. Coleman #15
2017 C. Davis #5, M. Williams #7, J. Ross #9
2018 none
2019 none

That's 1 maybe 2 that became a #1 WR. This draft class may be better than those past years. but it sure doesn't look like WR in the top 15 is a sure thing.

NO position is a sure thing. But this class being touted the deepest in years or maybe ever yet if we dont take one of the top 3 there are some that will consider it a bad haul.

Once the sense of touting this as a deep class at a position then jumping on the 1st thing smoking. Negates the depth of the draft.

Again, i too would love Ruggs, Lamb or Jeudy but understand that this is a deep class.

Originally posted by krizay:
NO position is a sure thing. But this class being touted the deepest in years or maybe ever yet if we dont take one of the top 3 there are some that will consider it a bad haul.

Once the sense of touting this as a deep class at a position then jumping on the 1st thing smoking. Negates the depth of the draft.

Again, i too would love Ruggs, Lamb or Jeudy but understand that this is a deep class.

He also intentionally omitted 2014 which was a banner year for WRs. This draft, on paper anyway, looks to be more like 2014 than those subsequent years.

Originally posted by WildBill:
Value chart is just a guideline, how desperate they are and what they have is the another. Also can't gage what a pick is worth if you trade a future pick. Like our 2nd, 3rd and 4th, at the time it was given, many would thought would be mid round, but ended up at the bottom.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I think we should stay at #13 and take best WR, DT or OL available.

If we take another DT/DL in the 1st round the WebZone server will crash. Lol

WR is the sexy pick, but getting younger while maintaining (if lucky even getting better) the defense-getting Derrick Brown or Javon Kinlaw would not surprise me, but yeah all the ones who like sexy names will have an aneurysm.

For a coach that wouldn't know what to do with elite receiver talent, WR is simply a sexy pick. For KS , a receiver like Ruggs in this offense is another matter altogether.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 9ers4u:
13 = 20(1),68(3)
or
13 = 20(1),88(3),100(4)

I'm not seeing a lot of value in trading out of 13th. Unless you drop into the mid 20's, you will barely get a mid level 2nd pick. Over course, other factors like team desperation and last minute trades will affect value differently than a chart.

At this point I feel like we should sit where we are and take two guys in the 1st. We don't need a lot of draft picks to fill out this roster. Lots of guys returning from injury will feel like we got more picks and FA's.

Say our guy is gone at 13 and the next one isn't worth 13. Then we trade back a few spots and get him. But I don't think we approach this as "we need to get as many picks as we can".

I don't like WR in a high 1st pick. Does someone have the stats on WR taken in the top 15 of the draft that actually become #1? My gut feeling without researching is probably 50%.

I feel like we need OL and CB more than any other position. Need to replace Staley and Sherman. Why not get those guys this year?

Oh, and just for fun 13 and 31 gets you the #5 in chart value.

Edit:

So I went and did a short research on top 15 WR the past 5 drafts:

2015 Cooper #4, K. White #7, D. Parker #14
2016 C. Coleman #15
2017 C. Davis #5, M. Williams #7, J. Ross #9
2018 none
2019 none

That's 1 maybe 2 that became a #1 WR. This draft class may be better than those past years. but it sure doesn't look like WR in the top 15 is a sure thing.

NO position is a sure thing. But this class being touted the deepest in years or maybe ever yet if we dont take one of the top 3 there are some that will consider it a bad haul.

Once the sense of touting this as a deep class at a position then jumping on the 1st thing smoking. Negates the depth of the draft.

Again, i too would love Ruggs, Lamb or Jeudy but understand that this is a deep class.

Here's the danger of the deep class thing- yes you can get starting quality later. We likely could trade back and be able to pick up another starter at another position. However. starter quality verses elite ability are two different things. In a deep class, you don't have to panic, but you shouldn't pass on elite talent. It's like the, should we pass on Bosa because we can get Montez Sweat + another pick later? The deep class argument only comes into play if the top 3 receivers are gone IMO.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by WildBill:

Value chart is just a guideline, how desperate they are and what they have is the another. Also can't gage what a pick is worth if you trade a future pick. Like our 2nd, 3rd and 4th, at the time it was given, many would thought would be mid round, but ended up at the bottom.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by mayo49:

I think we should stay at #13 and take best WR, DT or OL available.

If we take another DT/DL in the 1st round the WebZone server will crash. Lol

WR is the sexy pick, but getting younger while maintaining (if lucky even getting better) the defense-getting Derrick Brown or Javon Kinlaw would not surprise me, but yeah all the ones who like sexy names will have an aneurysm.

For a coach that wouldn't know what to do with elite receiver talent, WR is simply a sexy pick. For KS , a receiver like Ruggs in this offense is another matter altogether.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 9ers4u:

13 = 20(1),68(3)
or
13 = 20(1),88(3),100(4)

I'm not seeing a lot of value in trading out of 13th. Unless you drop into the mid 20's, you will barely get a mid level 2nd pick. Over course, other factors like team desperation and last minute trades will affect value differently than a chart.

At this point I feel like we should sit where we are and take two guys in the 1st. We don't need a lot of draft picks to fill out this roster. Lots of guys returning from injury will feel like we got more picks and FA's.

Say our guy is gone at 13 and the next one isn't worth 13. Then we trade back a few spots and get him. But I don't think we approach this as "we need to get as many picks as we can".

I don't like WR in a high 1st pick. Does someone have the stats on WR taken in the top 15 of the draft that actually become #1? My gut feeling without researching is probably 50%.

I feel like we need OL and CB more than any other position. Need to replace Staley and Sherman. Why not get those guys this year?

Oh, and just for fun 13 and 31 gets you the #5 in chart value.

Edit:

So I went and did a short research on top 15 WR the past 5 drafts:

2015 Cooper #4, K. White #7, D. Parker #14
2016 C. Coleman #15
2017 C. Davis #5, M. Williams #7, J. Ross #9
2018 none
2019 none

That's 1 maybe 2 that became a #1 WR. This draft class may be better than those past years. but it sure doesn't look like WR in the top 15 is a sure thing.

NO position is a sure thing. But this class being touted the deepest in years or maybe ever yet if we dont take one of the top 3 there are some that will consider it a bad haul.

Once the sense of touting this as a deep class at a position then jumping on the 1st thing smoking. Negates the depth of the draft.

Again, i too would love Ruggs, Lamb or Jeudy but understand that this is a deep class.

Here's the danger of the deep class thing- yes you can get starting quality later. We likely could trade back and be able to pick up another starter at another position. However. starter quality verses elite ability are two different things. In a deep class, you don't have to panic, but you shouldn't pass on elite talent. It's like the, should we pass on Bosa because we can get Montez Sweat + another pick later? The deep class argument only comes into play if the top 3 receivers are gone IMO.

Lol. The other danger is assuming there are only 3 elite WRs in this draft. Assuming the other guys are just starters.

The difference in the top 3 wrs to the next tier will not be the difference in winning a division or SB.

This team is already loaded. You know what keeps teams going. Keeping the cupboards stocked.

Why does NE win year after year? BB trades down and keeps his cupboards stocked. He turns his quantity into quality by drafting scheme fit players. And yes they play in a s**tty division but they beat good teams in the playoffs.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by WildBill:

Value chart is just a guideline, how desperate they are and what they have is the another. Also can't gage what a pick is worth if you trade a future pick. Like our 2nd, 3rd and 4th, at the time it was given, many would thought would be mid round, but ended up at the bottom.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by mayo49:

I think we should stay at #13 and take best WR, DT or OL available.

If we take another DT/DL in the 1st round the WebZone server will crash. Lol

WR is the sexy pick, but getting younger while maintaining (if lucky even getting better) the defense-getting Derrick Brown or Javon Kinlaw would not surprise me, but yeah all the ones who like sexy names will have an aneurysm.

For a coach that wouldn't know what to do with elite receiver talent, WR is simply a sexy pick. For KS , a receiver like Ruggs in this offense is another matter altogether.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 9ers4u:

13 = 20(1),68(3)
or
13 = 20(1),88(3),100(4)

I'm not seeing a lot of value in trading out of 13th. Unless you drop into the mid 20's, you will barely get a mid level 2nd pick. Over course, other factors like team desperation and last minute trades will affect value differently than a chart.

At this point I feel like we should sit where we are and take two guys in the 1st. We don't need a lot of draft picks to fill out this roster. Lots of guys returning from injury will feel like we got more picks and FA's.

Say our guy is gone at 13 and the next one isn't worth 13. Then we trade back a few spots and get him. But I don't think we approach this as "we need to get as many picks as we can".

I don't like WR in a high 1st pick. Does someone have the stats on WR taken in the top 15 of the draft that actually become #1? My gut feeling without researching is probably 50%.

I feel like we need OL and CB more than any other position. Need to replace Staley and Sherman. Why not get those guys this year?

Oh, and just for fun 13 and 31 gets you the #5 in chart value.

Edit:

So I went and did a short research on top 15 WR the past 5 drafts:

2015 Cooper #4, K. White #7, D. Parker #14
2016 C. Coleman #15
2017 C. Davis #5, M. Williams #7, J. Ross #9
2018 none
2019 none

That's 1 maybe 2 that became a #1 WR. This draft class may be better than those past years. but it sure doesn't look like WR in the top 15 is a sure thing.

NO position is a sure thing. But this class being touted the deepest in years or maybe ever yet if we dont take one of the top 3 there are some that will consider it a bad haul.

Once the sense of touting this as a deep class at a position then jumping on the 1st thing smoking. Negates the depth of the draft.

Again, i too would love Ruggs, Lamb or Jeudy but understand that this is a deep class.

Here's the danger of the deep class thing- yes you can get starting quality later. We likely could trade back and be able to pick up another starter at another position. However. starter quality verses elite ability are two different things. In a deep class, you don't have to panic, but you shouldn't pass on elite talent. It's like the, should we pass on Bosa because we can get Montez Sweat + another pick later? The deep class argument only comes into play if the top 3 receivers are gone IMO.

Lol. The other danger is assuming there are only 3 elite WRs in this draft. Assuming the other guys are just starters.

The difference in the top 3 wrs to the next tier will not be the difference in winning a division or SB.

This team is already loaded. You know what keeps teams going. Keeping the cupboards stocked.

Why does NE win year after year? BB trades down and keeps his cupboards stocked. He turns his quantity into quality by drafting scheme fit players. And yes they play in a s**tty division but they beat good teams in the playoffs.

You can look at the league leaders every year and see more non 1st round WRs at the top of the chart than 1st round WRs.

You can watch the SB and see more non 1st round WRs than 1st round WR

Only 7 of the top 20 in receiving yards this year were 1st round WR.

But hey missing out on 1 of the top 3 is end of the world