13th pick

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by krizay:

Lol. The other danger is assuming there are only 3 elite WRs in this draft. Assuming the other guys are just starters.

The difference in the top 3 wrs to the next tier will not be the difference in winning a division or SB.

This team is already loaded. You know what keeps teams going. Keeping the cupboards stocked.

Why does NE win year after year? BB trades down and keeps his cupboards stocked. He turns his quantity into quality by drafting scheme fit players. And yes they play in a s**tty division but they beat good teams in the playoffs.

That's cuz the Pats are constantly picking bottom of the first round and his boards don't show first round players left to take so obviously he moves back where his board lines up better.

Don't forget the year they had our top 10 pick they didn't trade down a ton. They stayed in the top 10 and took Jared Mayo who many were surprised to see that high.

And to say that NE has stayed this high in the league because of their draft picks (And moving down a million times) is kinda silly.

Overall their drafts have been s**t for the most part for yrs. they take picks and trade them for vets. They bring in high end draft pick failures on cheap deals, use them up and ship them out. Playing in one of the worst divisions for two decades and having the goat at Qb is the main reason they've won.

Originally posted by bzborow1:

Unless the 49ers can grab one of Jeudy or Lamb, I'm not sure there's value at 13 for a WR. The other WR's fall into a tier of good but not as easily projectable at the next level. For this reason, I'm thinking the 13 pick is the one the team looks to trade back from. Ruggs might be nice, but you can trade back to late teens/early 20's and get a similar tier of receiver prospect. Given the draft capital they've used on the defensive line lately and the cap situation at the position, I think the 49ers are looking OT, WR, CB. 31 seems like a good spot to find a higher quality run stuffer for the defensive line.

Imo I have Ruggs higher than Lamb. No you can't trade back and get a similar type of player if you're talking about Ruggs. There isn't a single player in this draft and possibly only a couple of WRs in the NFL that have the elite speed/explosion that he has. Toss in he's a good route-runner and has great hands.

Having Ruggs/Kittle/Deebo plus one of our fast RBs on the field at the same time is such a miss match on offense.

As far as OL, the only dude I'm taking is Wirfs at 13...If he's gone along with the 3 WRs, I'm doing what I can to move down.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Unless the 49ers can grab one of Jeudy or Lamb, I'm not sure there's value at 13 for a WR. The other WR's fall into a tier of good but not as easily projectable at the next level. For this reason, I'm thinking the 13 pick is the one the team looks to trade back from. Ruggs might be nice, but you can trade back to late teens/early 20's and get a similar tier of receiver prospect. Given the draft capital they've used on the defensive line lately and the cap situation at the position, I think the 49ers are looking OT, WR, CB. 31 seems like a good spot to find a higher quality run stuffer for the defensive line.

Imo I have Ruggs higher than Lamb. No you can't trade back and get a similar type of player if you're talking about Ruggs. There isn't a single player in this draft and possibly only a couple of WRs in the NFL that have the elite speed/explosion that he has. Toss in he's a good route-runner and has great hands.

Having Ruggs/Kittle/Deebo plus one of our fast RBs on the field at the same time is such a miss match on offense.

As far as OL, the only dude I'm taking is Wirfs at 13...If he's gone along with the 3 WRs, I'm doing what I can to move down.

I have never understood how players get lumped into buckets... "If so-and-so isn't there, we can just take one of the other top WR/QB/etc..." There are real, tangible, and important differences between players even on the same "tier".

If you are looking specifically for Ruggs' skill set, I haven't seen or heard of anyone in this draft (or most other drafts) who is even close really. The drop off for this skill set is huge.

Lamb is the pick of I'm making the call and if he's there.

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Unless the 49ers can grab one of Jeudy or Lamb, I'm not sure there's value at 13 for a WR. The other WR's fall into a tier of good but not as easily projectable at the next level. For this reason, I'm thinking the 13 pick is the one the team looks to trade back from. Ruggs might be nice, but you can trade back to late teens/early 20's and get a similar tier of receiver prospect. Given the draft capital they've used on the defensive line lately and the cap situation at the position, I think the 49ers are looking OT, WR, CB. 31 seems like a good spot to find a higher quality run stuffer for the defensive line.

No...you can't.

Originally posted by maxsmart:

Originally posted by mayo49:
If all of the three receivers are gone - my pick is Kinlaw. Total monster for our front four.

Pick Kinlaw even if all 3 WR's are still there

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If we end up with Jeudy, Ruggs or Lamb and Pettis and Hurd end up playing to their potential, imagine what a receiving corps we'll have for the next few years. Rookie, Deebo, Hurd, Pettis and Bourne.

1st year, 2 on the second year, one on the 3rd and Bourne. We wouldn't have to address that position in the early rounds for the next 4 or 5 years. That's a lot of ifs and hoping but I need to look at something positive for now.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And to say that NE has stayed this high in the league because of their draft picks (And moving down a million times) is kinda silly.

[b]Overall their drafts have been s**t for the most part for yrs.[/b] they take picks and trade them for vets. They bring in high end draft pick failures on cheap deals, use them up and ship them out. Playing in one of the worst divisions for two decades and having the goat at Qb is the main reason they've won.

Yeah I've been saying their draft has been crap for years.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:
Get the Chaisson dude if he is actually legit and could be a Dee Ford clone.

Or get OT to replace Staley as we won't be drafting this high for a while.

Or Kinlaw to replace Buck.

Or trade back in the 1st and get a 2nd and 3rd.

Or trade back from #13 and get a future #1 in 2021 in case Jimmy sucks and we want ammo for Lawrence.

Or a WR.

Lots of options. All of them are good as long as we hit on our first round picks.

Do you guys think they do the unthinkable and draft Staley's replacement and trade him away for a Day 2 pick on draft day? Like they did with Brown when they drafted McGlinchey, After they traded away Defo, I dont think anyone is safe. As much as id like to see one of the top WR's drafted my gut tells me they wont because they always find talent in the later rounds and this year its deep at WR.

I just heard that there are NFL execs comparing Burrow to Montana, Manning and Brady. Talk about getting ahead of yourself. That's like comparing Jeudy or Ruggs to Rice. Putting that kind of label on a player coming out of college is so unfair.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Unless the 49ers can grab one of Jeudy or Lamb, I'm not sure there's value at 13 for a WR. The other WR's fall into a tier of good but not as easily projectable at the next level. For this reason, I'm thinking the 13 pick is the one the team looks to trade back from. Ruggs might be nice, but you can trade back to late teens/early 20's and get a similar tier of receiver prospect. Given the draft capital they've used on the defensive line lately and the cap situation at the position, I think the 49ers are looking OT, WR, CB. 31 seems like a good spot to find a higher quality run stuffer for the defensive line.

No...you can't.

Jaelon Raegor, JM Hamler. As examples. They may not be quite as good as Ruggs, but you could get one of them and a starter at CB. I'd be totally fine with the Ruggs picks, but it's not like San Francisco has no other options either.

Originally posted by highway49:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Hypothetical if a team wanted to move up to 13 what is fair value for that? Could we pick up a 2nd?

This should be of help to you :

What are the analytics behind the draft scale. Thought it was something gruden doodled up on the can one day.

From what I've read that this particular draft scale, was supposedly first developed by that old cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson....it's been around a while. There are other variations on this scale around also.
To me it is only like the price you see on a car at the used car lot....that is, it's only a starting point to get thing rolling

This scale is a Bill Walsh creation from my understanding.

Originally posted by bzborow1:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by bzborow1:
Unless the 49ers can grab one of Jeudy or Lamb, I'm not sure there's value at 13 for a WR. The other WR's fall into a tier of good but not as easily projectable at the next level. For this reason, I'm thinking the 13 pick is the one the team looks to trade back from. Ruggs might be nice, but you can trade back to late teens/early 20's and get a similar tier of receiver prospect. Given the draft capital they've used on the defensive line lately and the cap situation at the position, I think the 49ers are looking OT, WR, CB. 31 seems like a good spot to find a higher quality run stuffer for the defensive line.

No...you can't.

Jaelon Raegor, JM Hamler. As examples. They may not be quite as good as Ruggs, but you could get one of them and a starter at CB. I'd be totally fine with the Ruggs picks, but it's not like San Francisco has no other options either.

You're just listing guys who are fast. What starter at CB are you getting at 13?

I'd argue that you can get a better CB at 31 or with a trade back than you can a WR.

I like Reagor but he's not on the level of Ruggs, combine showed that though I will admit he plays faster and may have bulked up too much.
Hamler is mostly a slot guy and isn't giving you the same thing as Ruggs.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I just heard that there are NFL execs comparing Burrow to Montana, Manning and Brady. Talk about getting ahead of yourself. That's like comparing Jeudy or Ruggs to Rice. Putting that kind of label on a player coming out of college is so unfair.

At least there's no lofty expectations there. Sheesh.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by highway49:

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Hypothetical if a team wanted to move up to 13 what is fair value for that? Could we pick up a 2nd?

This should be of help to you :

What are the analytics behind the draft scale. Thought it was something gruden doodled up on the can one day.

From what I've read that this particular draft scale, was supposedly first developed by that old cowboys coach Jimmy Johnson....it's been around a while. There are other variations on this scale around also.
To me it is only like the price you see on a car at the used car lot....that is, it's only a starting point to get thing rolling

This scale is a Bill Walsh creation from my understanding.

I believe it's Jimmy Johnson.