13th pick

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I just heard that there are NFL execs comparing Burrow to Montana, Manning and Brady. Talk about getting ahead of yourself. That's like comparing Jeudy or Ruggs to Rice. Putting that kind of label on a player coming out of college is so unfair.

At least there's no lofty expectations there. Sheesh.

I heard one reporter ask Burrow about those comparisons and to his credit he said 'please don't compare me to those guys'. Reporters that ask those lame questions should be banned.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I just heard that there are NFL execs comparing Burrow to Montana, Manning and Brady. Talk about getting ahead of yourself. That's like comparing Jeudy or Ruggs to Rice. Putting that kind of label on a player coming out of college is so unfair.

At least there's no lofty expectations there. Sheesh.

I heard one reporter ask Burrow about those comparisons and to his credit he said 'please don't compare me to those guys'. Reporters that ask those lame questions should be banned.

I think he'll be good regardless. I hate the SEC in general, but Burrow was unstoppable. Holy hell. He even torched that crazy Clemson defense. LSU will not repeat as champions because Burrow was single handily the reason they won it all.

Burrow > Manziel

The more I think about it....I just don't see us pulling the trigger on a WR at #13. Especially when there is a plethora of talent outside the "Top 3 guys". I'd wager that trading one of our 1st's is all but guaranteed. The question is which one?

Give me a WR, OL, DL/Edge, CB at least two of them starters and I'm happy.

Originally posted by Imcaleburnot:
The more I think about it....I just don't see us pulling the trigger on a WR at #13. Especially when there is a plethora of talent outside the "Top 3 guys". I'd wager that trading one of our 1st's is all but guaranteed. The question is which one?

Give me a WR, OL, DL/Edge, CB at least two of them starters and I'm happy.

IMO us not bringing back Sanders indicates we like a few guys in this class. Whether that means taking one of the sure guys at 13 or adding a few in this class or some tier 2/3 guys remains to be seen.

If I'm putting money on it I think we take WR with 13, possibly even move up. I think the trade mentioned with Cleveland makes sense for both teams.

Cleveland gives #10 and #41, we surrender #13 and #31.

They're not looking at WR and likely get the guy they want at 10 at 13 and move up 10 spots and get the 5th year option for another guy at 31. We likely get our choice of the WRs and still get a good pick on day 2.

Originally posted by genus49:
You're just listing guys who are fast. What starter at CB are you getting at 13?

I'd argue that you can get a better CB at 31 or with a trade back than you can a WR.

I like Reagor but he's not on the level of Ruggs, combine showed that though I will admit he plays faster and may have bulked up too much.
Hamler is mostly a slot guy and isn't giving you the same thing as Ruggs.

Genus49 I get your point and your right. A good fast WR in todays NFL is hard to stop and Tyreek Hill proves that ever game he plays. I think Ruggs has that kind of speed. I'm not sure if he is that kind of WR. There have been a bunch of 5'10" RB or WR that come out and are going to kill it, there so explosive. Then they get drafted and just disappear? I'm not baiting anyone, I have no hidden motive. I've seen him in 2 game he played ok. They had 3 Good WR he had 1 or 2 good plays in both games. I want your opinion is he the next Tyreek Hill or next LaMichael James ? I really like James I have no Idea what happen to him, or why he didn't work out? I have no Idea what happen to Goodwin last year he fast and was hurt, but I thought he was going to do so much more. Ruggs speed is important just wondering if Ruggs had Reagor 40 time would you want to draft him a pick 13 because he is that good of a WR? Really everyone he mite not even be there at pick 13 because maybe they love his speed so much he the first WR taken?

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by WildBill:
Value chart is just a guideline, how desperate they are and what they have is the another. Also can't gage what a pick is worth if you trade a future pick. Like our 2nd, 3rd and 4th, at the time it was given, many would thought would be mid round, but ended up at the bottom.

Originally posted by Furlow:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I think we should stay at #13 and take best WR, DT or OL available.

If we take another DT/DL in the 1st round the WebZone server will crash. Lol

WR is the sexy pick, but getting younger while maintaining (if lucky even getting better) the defense-getting Derrick Brown or Javon Kinlaw would not surprise me, but yeah all the ones who like sexy names will have an aneurysm.

For a coach that wouldn't know what to do with elite receiver talent, WR is simply a sexy pick. For KS , a receiver like Ruggs in this offense is another matter altogether.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by 9ers4u:
13 = 20(1),68(3)
or
13 = 20(1),88(3),100(4)

I'm not seeing a lot of value in trading out of 13th. Unless you drop into the mid 20's, you will barely get a mid level 2nd pick. Over course, other factors like team desperation and last minute trades will affect value differently than a chart.

At this point I feel like we should sit where we are and take two guys in the 1st. We don't need a lot of draft picks to fill out this roster. Lots of guys returning from injury will feel like we got more picks and FA's.

Say our guy is gone at 13 and the next one isn't worth 13. Then we trade back a few spots and get him. But I don't think we approach this as "we need to get as many picks as we can".

I don't like WR in a high 1st pick. Does someone have the stats on WR taken in the top 15 of the draft that actually become #1? My gut feeling without researching is probably 50%.

I feel like we need OL and CB more than any other position. Need to replace Staley and Sherman. Why not get those guys this year?

Oh, and just for fun 13 and 31 gets you the #5 in chart value.

Edit:

So I went and did a short research on top 15 WR the past 5 drafts:

2015 Cooper #4, K. White #7, D. Parker #14
2016 C. Coleman #15
2017 C. Davis #5, M. Williams #7, J. Ross #9
2018 none
2019 none

That's 1 maybe 2 that became a #1 WR. This draft class may be better than those past years. but it sure doesn't look like WR in the top 15 is a sure thing.

NO position is a sure thing. But this class being touted the deepest in years or maybe ever yet if we dont take one of the top 3 there are some that will consider it a bad haul.

Once the sense of touting this as a deep class at a position then jumping on the 1st thing smoking. Negates the depth of the draft.

Again, i too would love Ruggs, Lamb or Jeudy but understand that this is a deep class.

Here's the danger of the deep class thing- yes you can get starting quality later. We likely could trade back and be able to pick up another starter at another position. However. starter quality verses elite ability are two different things. In a deep class, you don't have to panic, but you shouldn't pass on elite talent. It's like the, should we pass on Bosa because we can get Montez Sweat + another pick later? The deep class argument only comes into play if the top 3 receivers are gone IMO.

Lol. The other danger is assuming there are only 3 elite WRs in this draft. Assuming the other guys are just starters.

The difference in the top 3 wrs to the next tier will not be the difference in winning a division or SB.

This team is already loaded. You know what keeps teams going. Keeping the cupboards stocked.

Why does NE win year after year? BB trades down and keeps his cupboards stocked. He turns his quantity into quality by drafting scheme fit players. And yes they play in a s**tty division but they beat good teams in the playoffs.

There's that Brady factor to make the right play in the big moment. I like Jimmy G, but he isn't all the way there yet. Perhaps a guy like Jalen Reagor could come in and do some similar things and give us flexibility to add even more picks because we could in theory trade back with both our firsts. I wouldn't be against that move either. However, I'm not making the assumption that there are only 3 elite receivers. It's pretty much the opinion of every respectable prognosticator. If the other guys were elite, they would be getting top-10/15 consideration as well. They aren't and there are reasons for that. Do players who get drafted later become elite? Yes. All the time. But right now, based off film, there are 3 receivers in the elite category. We can take one of those elite receivers and still trade back once or even twice and end up with an extra 2nd, 3rd, and 4th if we go with that second option.

Holy smokes I just finished checking out the last 10 year history of WR drafted. Names like Corey davis, Kevin Whites drafted at the top and other mid to late first rounds that were just total busts. Meanwhile some gems that were found later like E. Sanders in the third, Antonio Brown in the 6th are rare. its truly a crapshoot as far as this position goes.

I'm leaning toward DT Javon Kinlaw with the 13th pick if we don't trade back. I'd rather have Kinlaw and Mims or Higgins then Ruggs and someone else. Especially if Jeudy and Lamb are off the board at #13.

Kinlaw or Thomas at #13

Can't lose with those names. Obviously another guy with -law in their name is a beast. And who doesn't think a Thomas is a GREAT name for a OT?

Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:
I'm leaning toward DT Javon Kinlaw with the 13th pick if we don't trade back. I'd rather have Kinlaw and Mims or Higgins then Ruggs and someone else. Especially if Jeudy and Lamb are off the board at #13.

I want Ruggs/Biadasz in the 1st (DL&DB with the 5th rounders)...

but Kinlaw/Higgins would be great too.

Originally posted by frankieuc68:
Holy smokes I just finished checking out the last 10 year history of WR drafted. Names like Corey davis, Kevin Whites drafted at the top and other mid to late first rounds that were just total busts. Meanwhile some gems that were found later like E. Sanders in the third, Antonio Brown in the 6th are rare. its truly a crapshoot as far as this position goes.

And regardless of how many here will take "any of the 3" with pick #13,....rest assured that Kyle Shanahan is well-aware.

What puts even more weight on this is....we should keep on mind that we actually traded for the 13th pick and it wasnt just laying there in our lap.

By Shanahan tradition, a top 15 pick WR is not in the cards. Kyle's dad never took a top 18 pick WR in his career.

Matter of fact, Mike Shanahan's only 3 1st round WRs since his 1st 1988 gig were Aaron Cox (#20),... Ashley Lelie (#19).... and Marcus Nash (#30),....all 3 regrettable decisions.

Kyle is his own man by now but history says unless it's Calvin Johnson or someone similar, the WR position is to be viewed as a big gamble early in the draft.

Originally posted by 9erguy:

Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:
I'm leaning toward DT Javon Kinlaw with the 13th pick if we don't trade back. I'd rather have Kinlaw and Mims or Higgins then Ruggs and someone else. Especially if Jeudy and Lamb are off the board at #13.

I want Ruggs/Biadasz in the 1st (DL&DB with the 5th rounders)...

but Kinlaw/Higgins would be great too.

Biadasz hasn't been a first round worthy prospect for a while now.

Originally posted by frankieuc68:

Holy smokes I just finished checking out the last 10 year history of WR drafted. Names like Corey davis, Kevin Whites drafted at the top and other mid to late first rounds that were just total busts. Meanwhile some gems that were found later like E. Sanders in the third, Antonio Brown in the 6th are rare. its truly a crapshoot as far as this position goes.

Lol you can say that about every position in a 10 year span so what's your point

1. Jeudy or Ruggs
2. If both gone, either Lamb or Kinlaw
3. Trade down if all 4 are gone.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 9erguy:

Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:
I'm leaning toward DT Javon Kinlaw with the 13th pick if we don't trade back. I'd rather have Kinlaw and Mims or Higgins then Ruggs and someone else. Especially if Jeudy and Lamb are off the board at #13.

I want Ruggs/Biadasz in the 1st (DL&DB with the 5th rounders)...

but Kinlaw/Higgins would be great too.

Biadasz hasn't been a first round worthy prospect for a while now.

..I saw a few mocks had him going end of first..early second. Any other IOL rated as late 1st round prospects?