Javon Kinlaw-DT-South Carolina

Surprised from how many are okay with possibly taking Kinlaw at 13. The more I watch of him the more I really like him, of course receiver should go first, but Kinlaw would be an amazing consolation.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:
Taking front 7 in the draft especially 1st round makes the dline affordable. We can afford Wrs, oline and CBs in FA

Huh? When you keep investing into the same position with your highest picks yr after yr you can't afford to keep all of them when contracts are do.

Exactly. And weakening other position groups in the process. Our Dline is so strong that we can lose a top-5 DT and still will probably have a top-5 Dline next year.

Now I'd like for people to imagine with we lost Emmanuel Mosely, Kendrick Bourne, or Laken Tomlison (permanently). I went with the 2nd best CB, WR, and IOL. These are our weakest position groups. We need to turn at least one of them into a strength. I'd say the addition of one of those top 3 receivers would do that for the receiver group.

Nothing wrong with wanting another DT either, but to go there with our first round pick..again? After get got beat by a team with an inferior Dline but superior offense?

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Surprised from how many are okay with possibly taking Kinlaw at 13. The more I watch of him the more I really like him, of course receiver should go first, but Kinlaw would be an amazing consolation.

Yeah, he would - plug him in and play him. Defense won't miss a beat.

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by gold49digger:

Surprised from how many are okay with possibly taking Kinlaw at 13. The more I watch of him the more I really like him, of course receiver should go first, but Kinlaw would be an amazing consolation.

Yeah, he would - plug him in and play him. Defense won't miss a beat.

I like Kinlaw, that said In this scenario all SF did was trade an all-pro DT, just starting to get into his prime and replaced him with a good rookie DT. They didn't get better at any position with that pick (actually worse), saved some cash, which in turn they didn't use to invest on team needs great we resigned Ward/AA and a bunch of depth...not making this team better in 2020 when they're on the cusp of winning it all.

FWIW the only way I'm down to get Kinlaw is if they trade for an elite WR, trade down from 13 to get more picks (and still get Kinlaw) and use those picks to get a couple possible starters.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by ChaunceyGardner:

Taking front 7 in the draft especially 1st round makes the dline affordable. We can afford Wrs, oline and CBs in FA

Huh? When you keep investing into the same position with your highest picks yr after yr you can't afford to keep all of them when contracts are do.

Exactly. And weakening other position groups in the process. Our Dline is so strong that we can lose a top-5 DT and still will probably have a top-5 Dline next year.

Now I'd like for people to imagine with we lost Emmanuel Mosely, Kendrick Bourne, or Laken Tomlison (permanently). I went with the 2nd best CB, WR, and IOL. These are our weakest position groups. We need to turn at least one of them into a strength. I'd say the addition of one of those top 3 receivers would do that for the receiver group.

Nothing wrong with wanting another DT either, but to go there with our first round pick..again? After get got beat by a team with an inferior Dline but superior offense?

Yup, For the record I think Kinlaw is the best DT in this class. That said the only way I'm down for drafting him is in a trade down scenario or if they make a move for a elite WR in a trade. They could have made this decision easier if they filled IOL/CB in FA. Even adding a guy like prince at CB and Kline at IOL would make s**t so much more flexible.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

Originally posted by gold49digger:

Surprised from how many are okay with possibly taking Kinlaw at 13. The more I watch of him the more I really like him, of course receiver should go first, but Kinlaw would be an amazing consolation.

Yeah, he would - plug him in and play him. Defense won't miss a beat.

I like Kinlaw, that said In this scenario all SF did was trade an all-pro DT, just starting to get into his prime and replaced him with a good rookie DT. They didn't get better at any position with that pick (actually worse), saved some cash, which in turn they didn't use to invest on team needs great we resigned Ward/AA and a bunch of depth...not making this team better in 2020 when they're on the cusp of winning it all.

FWIW the only way I'm down to get Kinlaw is if they trade for an elite WR, trade down from 13 to get more picks (and still get Kinlaw) and use those picks to get a couple possible starters.

I think 49ers fans have to realize that our window was closed next year regardless. Buckner was one of our best players but there's no way we could have both him and AA and the best chance we had to remain an elite team was to trade Buckner and keep AA imo.

AA although not the better player... is more versatile and showed he is improving.

And maybe Kinlaw isn't Buckner right now... but I think he's a better prospect especially for a 4-3.

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Surprised from how many are okay with possibly taking Kinlaw at 13. The more I watch of him the more I really like him, of course receiver should go first, but Kinlaw would be an amazing consolation.

If they drafted Kinlaw at #13, it wouldn't make any sense at all. Trade away a Pro Bowl talent only to draft a rookie DT. All it would be is a salary dump at that point, cause what are you gonna do when Kinlaw starts performing at a Buckner like level? Trade him away too and so on?

WR should be the ONLY target at #13, if not trade down!!!

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by gold49digger:

Surprised from how many are okay with possibly taking Kinlaw at 13. The more I watch of him the more I really like him, of course receiver should go first, but Kinlaw would be an amazing consolation.

If they drafted Kinlaw at #13, it wouldn't make any sense at all. Trade away a Pro Bowl talent only to draft a rookie DT. All it would be is a salary dump at that point, cause what are you gonna do when Kinlaw starts performing at a Buckner like level? Trade him away too and so on?

WR should be the ONLY target at #13, if not trade down!!!

We drafted 2 WRs last year. With that logic you could say... why draft a WR when you know 1 of 3 will not be resigned.

At least with a DT you could say we can move on from AA when Kinlaw needs a new contract.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

I think 49ers fans have to realize that our window was closed next year regardless. Buckner was one of our best players but there's no way we could have both him and AA and the best chance we had to remain an elite team was to trade Buckner and keep AA imo.

AA although not the better player... is more versatile and showed he is improving.

And maybe Kinlaw isn't Buckner right now... but I think he's a better prospect especially for a 4-3.

I don't think he's a better prospect than Buck was coming out of college. Regardless of scheme. Too each their own there.

I don't understand the window was closed next year regardless? No one had this team labeled as a playoff team before the season started, now their window is closed after 2020? Or are you talking about losing Buck next ur regardless?

I'm fine with them moving on from Buck end of the day BUT use some of the freed up cash to at least get someone to take some meaningful snaps at DT. They can still do that and should.

At some pt you'd think they'd be able to find a scheme fit DT that wasn't gonna cost them a top 20 draft pick They have a quality DL coach maybe start coaching someone up?

I don't get why we can have top end talent at other positions and spread out that money. I feel like balance is important when putting together a good team.

Lynch said you're either getting better or getting worse, Imo that would be a getting worse.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

We drafted 2 WRs last year. With that logic you could say... why draft a WR when you know 1 of 3 will not be resigned.

At least with a DT you could say we can move on from AA when Kinlaw needs a new contract.

Spending 2nd and 3rd rd capital isn't the same as spending top 20 picks over and over on DL.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Yup, For the record I think Kinlaw is the best DT in this class. That said the only way I'm down for drafting him is in a trade down scenario or if they make a move for a elite WR in a trade. They could have made this decision easier if they filled IOL/CB in FA. Even adding a guy like prince at CB and Kline at IOL would make s**t so much more flexible.

Good call on Prince or Klein. People are forgetting that we are not going to draft a tackle on defense at 13 for the main reason that we need to strengthen other position groups. When you have that many good players at one position group odds are you're not going to invest so much money on all of them which will be required. That is why we had to get rid of Buckner, and the Rams couldn't keep drafting lineman as well and expect to keep all of them.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
Surprised from how many are okay with possibly taking Kinlaw at 13. The more I watch of him the more I really like him, of course receiver should go first, but Kinlaw would be an amazing consolation.

If they drafted Kinlaw at #13, it wouldn't make any sense at all. Trade away a Pro Bowl talent only to draft a rookie DT. All it would be is a salary dump at that point, cause what are you gonna do when Kinlaw starts performing at a Buckner like level? Trade him away too and so on?

WR should be the ONLY target at #13, if not trade down!!!

We drafted 2 WRs last year. With that logic you could say... why draft a WR when you know 1 of 3 will not be resigned.

At least with a DT you could say we can move on from AA when Kinlaw needs a new contract.

Easy, WR is a much more position of need, where as a DT you can just plug and play and always take one in the later rounds, see DJ Jones. Jalen Hurd last season was a big gamble, especially coming off injury and his talent was big enough where you could take a gamble on.

This is the questions we should be asking ourselves:

1. Is Kinlaw a big enough talent that it would make passing on Jeudy worth it?

or

2. Is Jeudy a big enough talent where that it would make passing on Kinlaw worth it?

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by gold49digger:

Surprised from how many are okay with possibly taking Kinlaw at 13. The more I watch of him the more I really like him, of course receiver should go first, but Kinlaw would be an amazing consolation.

If they drafted Kinlaw at #13, it wouldn't make any sense at all. Trade away a Pro Bowl talent only to draft a rookie DT. All it would be is a salary dump at that point, cause what are you gonna do when Kinlaw starts performing at a Buckner like level? Trade him away too and so on?

WR should be the ONLY target at #13, if not trade down!!!

We drafted 2 WRs last year. With that logic you could say... why draft a WR when you know 1 of 3 will not be resigned.

At least with a DT you could say we can move on from AA when Kinlaw needs a new contract.

Easy, WR is a much more position of need, where as a DT you can just plug and play and always take one in the later rounds, see DJ Jones. Jalen Hurd last season was a big gamble, especially coming off injury and his talent was big enough where you could take a gamble on.

This is the questions we should be asking ourselves:

1. Is Kinlaw a big enough talent that it would make passing on Jeudy worth it?

or

2. Is Jeudy a big enough talent where that it would make passing on Kinlaw worth it?

DJ is a NT. He's not gonna give you much in terms of pass rush.

If AA goes down we won't have an interior rush.

I'm not saying I would take Kinlaw over Jeudy. I'm saying that taking a prospect like Kinlaw wouldn't be the end of the world and it makes sense cause his contract would be staggered with AA's.

My thinking is, how many years will you take a defensive lineman in the 1st round of the draft! Or Oline for that matter. One of these years when you're in position to get an impact player at a skill position and have them on a rookie contract, you have to take advantage of it!! I would love OBJ as well but next year we can sign an impact free agent on defense if we don't trade for other teams skill players a la E sanders, and develop our own skill position players on a rookie contract.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I think 49ers fans have to realize that our window was closed next year regardless.

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