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Apr 13, 2020 at 12:16 PM
- ninersrule4
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I would lose my f**king mind if we drafted him at #13. We had a young all pro stud. You don't trade him just to draft a guy at the same position.
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Apr 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM
- genus49
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Originally posted by ninersrule4:
I would lose my f**king mind if we drafted him at #13. We had a young all pro stud. You don't trade him just to draft a guy at the same position.
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Apr 13, 2020 at 12:20 PM
- Waterbear
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Originally posted by genus49:Originally posted by ninersrule4:I would lose my f**king mind if we drafted him at #13. We had a young all pro stud. You don't trade him just to draft a guy at the same position.
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Salary cap says hi
Apr 13, 2020 at 12:21 PM
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Originally posted by genus49:Originally posted by ninersrule4:I would lose my f**king mind if we drafted him at #13. We had a young all pro stud. You don't trade him just to draft a guy at the same position.
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Not buying it. They could have made the money work. There is no way they are taking a DT at #13.
Apr 13, 2020 at 12:21 PM
- scooterhd
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Originally posted by ninersrule4:
I would lose my f**king mind if we drafted him at #13. We had a young all pro stud. You don't trade him just to draft a guy at the same position.
I'm with you. I really like Kinlaw and I really want to draft a DT, maybe 2 of them. But not that early. But the reason to do it would be money. You are replacing Bucker with someone that is obviously not as good, but you are saving alot of money to pay at other positions. Simply cant have an all pro at every position. Cap doesnt work that way.
Sometimes 80% of the player at 40% of the cost is a necessary evil.
[ Edited by scooterhd on Apr 13, 2020 at 12:22 PM ]
Apr 13, 2020 at 12:23 PM
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Originally posted by Heroism:
My thoughts on JK:
Dude is a boom or bust prospect. The guy is raw as hell. Most of his production on the field is him simply kicking the guy's ass across from him by virtue of being the more athletic and talented individual. There's no go-to move or counter. He simply tries to bully the guy across from him the majority of the time. There's no doubt that this dude is insanely gifted. He's over 300 lbs but looks like a chiseled edge rusher. But he's extremely raw, plays with little technique, and rarely demonstrates a pass-rushing plan.
There's going to be a lot of pressure on the DL coach of whichever team drafts him to coach him up.
Enter Kris 'racoon on meth' Kocurek.
Apr 13, 2020 at 12:26 PM
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Originally posted by mayo49:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by mayo49:
ACL injury takes him off my top 10 list - reckon he'll be there at #13, if we choose to take him.
When did he tear his ACL? Not sure why you keep saying this? I don't think that happened
I don't know exactly when - I'm trying to find out. I'll get back to you.
Well, NY - I can't find it anywhere, I swear I read that he tore it a couple of years ago. But, all I can find is a hip injury in 2017. I guess that's good news, since I dropped him in my rankings. I guess now I feel better taking him if he's available at #13.
[ Edited by mayo49 on Apr 13, 2020 at 12:51 PM ]
Apr 13, 2020 at 12:30 PM
- Waterbear
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Originally posted by scooterhd:Originally posted by ninersrule4:I would lose my f**king mind if we drafted him at #13. We had a young all pro stud. You don't trade him just to draft a guy at the same position.
I'm with you. I really like Kinlaw and I really want to draft a DT, maybe 2 of them. But not that early. But the reason to do it would be money. You are replacing Bucker with someone that is obviously not as good, but you are saving alot of money to pay at other positions. Simply cant have an all pro at every position. Cap doesnt work that way.
Sometimes 80% of the player at 40% of the cost is a necessary evil.
But also Buckner could be the better player overall and we could draft lesser talented player that fits this system better and is as effective or more.
That's what people forget. Buckner was not drafted by this regime. And he's much better suited for a 3-4 imo. It's hard for a 6'8 DT to move laterally after shooting gaps.
Not to mention I always thought having extremely tall DTs with midget QBs in Wilson and Murray makes it harder to corral them.
Apr 13, 2020 at 12:33 PM
- genus49
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Originally posted by ninersrule4:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
I would lose my f**king mind if we drafted him at #13. We had a young all pro stud. You don't trade him just to draft a guy at the same position.
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Not buying it. They could have made the money work. There is no way they are taking a DT at #13.
Apparently not. We have the best in the business at cap management but he can't do much if the player isn't willing to work with him.
Apr 13, 2020 at 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by ninersrule4:I would lose my f**king mind if we drafted him at #13. We had a young all pro stud. You don't trade him just to draft a guy at the same position.
I agree. It's also just a poor allocation of resources. We spend some of the most on dlinemen, and we have allocated to many first round picks on interior dlinemen. Other parts of the team need resources.
Apr 13, 2020 at 12:35 PM
- FredFlintstone
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Originally posted by ninersrule4:I would lose my f**king mind if we drafted him at #13. We had a young all pro stud. You don't trade him just to draft a guy at the same position.
Same here, I'll be done with the draft
Apr 13, 2020 at 12:37 PM
- genus49
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Originally posted by FredFlintstone:
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
I would lose my f**king mind if we drafted him at #13. We had a young all pro stud. You don't trade him just to draft a guy at the same position.
Same here, I'll be done with the draft
That's an overreaction IMO. It's not a move I want us to make but Kinlaw clearly has some impressive measurables and talent. If he turns into a Chris Jones like player for us...on top of the other guys we have we could have an even stronger DL than last year.
But obviously there are questions with him so it's a boom/bust pick but someone so talented playing with other talented players I would think the odds of him being a boom is better.
Apr 13, 2020 at 12:40 PM
- pdc20
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They want to build the trenches with the early picks in the draft.
Don´t be surprise if the 13th pick is a OT or a DT.
Don´t be surprise if the 13th pick is a OT or a DT.
Apr 13, 2020 at 12:40 PM
- ninersrule4
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Originally posted by philosoraptor:Originally posted by ninersrule4:I would lose my f**king mind if we drafted him at #13. We had a young all pro stud. You don't trade him just to draft a guy at the same position.
I agree. It's also just a poor allocation of resources. We spend some of the most on dlinemen, and we have allocated to many first round picks on interior dlinemen. Other parts of the team need resources.
Yup. We couldn't stop KC when it mattered with Buck and co it's definitely not going to happen with a player not even close to the same level. At #13 we need a game changer. Either a stud WR, CB or a damn OL to give JG more than 2 seconds to throw the ball. You pay a lesser guy (Arik) and trade the all pro (Buck) to add something to another portion on your roster not draft a guy who plays the same position.
Apr 13, 2020 at 12:46 PM
- Scottie15
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I can see dumbass Lynch over drafting this dude.