Not sold on 49ers picking a WR with 13th Pick

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Ahh 1st rd pick centers Bradbury and Billy Price (Price even more) haven't been good picks at all. Price was a failure pick actually. The guy for the lions has been a fine center. It hasn't been all rainbows and unicorns drafting a center.

Guards don't typically get drafted in the first outside of generational talents like Martin/Nelson. How's josh Garnett doing? Colbert was taken 33 and is already on his 2nd team.

OTs, Tytus Howard sucked at tackle this yr, Wynn hasn't been special, Bolles is junk, Eric flowers was a epic failure at OT, K Miller hasn't been special at all etc etc...

Back in the day lineman were regarded as safe picks...that's simply not true now. The college spread offenses have made a lot of these linemen green at pass-protection

It's true that OLs are harder to find now but that makes the good ones stand out even more. With WRs running free in the all offense no defense college game it makes it harder to evaluate the true talent. You can measure the a speed, vertical, 3 cone etc but you still are watching film of guys playing against bad defense. That's especially true in the PAC12 and Big12. There are less linemen drafted in round one because teams always have visions of receivers, RBs and QBs lighting it up on Sunday. Unfortunately they fail way too often. You still have to pick those guys and roll the dice but they are not as safe as linemen.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NCommand:

More Maiocco.

Do the #49ers need a superstar wide receiver from this draft or should they wait a while and go after a player to fit a specific profile to give the offense something it lacks?https://t.co/ZD1mCxpuwQ

— Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoNBCS) April 6, 2020

This is how MM works. Throws a "teaser" out to the fans, then follows that up with a full blown article with quotes in it. He's preparing the masses per "insider information." Right before the draft.

Like I was saying:

Do the 49ers need to come out of this draft with a No. 1 wideout? Maybe not. Tight end George Kittle is the team's No. 1 target, and Samuel is to be a good fit for the offense. Bourne proved to be reliable and could take on more responsibility, too.

The 49ers, however, can benefit from a player who can stress a defense, whether he's a deep threat on the outside, a red-zone target or a reliable player working the middle of the field to give Jimmy Garoppolo another option on third downs.

This draft has plenty of options for whatever it is the 49ers desire.

And given our visits

Yup. And targets in FA too.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Gonna be a T ala Mike McGlinchey and the Madden WZers are gonna implode. I can't wait. That said, if they go DT, I'll implode.

Yup, I agree here. With reports indicating that Staley may not return, I think the 49ers go for a tackle. Jimmy G. got hit far too many times last season. I kept waiting for that surgically repaired knee to blow apart with every hit he took. Fortunately, it did not happen.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Gonna be a T ala Mike McGlinchey and the Madden WZers are gonna implode. I can't wait. That said, if they go DT, I'll implode.

Yup, I agree here. With reports indicating that Staley may not return, I think the 49ers go for a tackle. Jimmy G. got hit far too many times last season. I kept waiting for that surgically repaired knee to blow apart with every hit he took. Fortunately, it did not happen.

I wouldn't be surprised if they don't take a DT at 13 even if both Brown and Kinlaw were there. They may want to avoid direct comparisons of DeFo VS the new guy, given that is the pick we got for DeFo.

I also wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if all 4 OT's are gone by 11 or 12. Oakland won't take one, but they could trade the pick to someone who does because teams will be weary we could take an OT.

Originally posted by evil:
I wouldn't be surprised if they don't take a DT at 13 even if both Brown and Kinlaw were there. They may want to avoid direct comparisons of DeFo VS the new guy, given that is the pick we got for DeFo.

I also wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if all 4 OT's are gone by 11 or 12. Oakland won't take one, but they could trade the pick to someone who does because teams will be weary we could take an OT.

And this is why my gut tells me we trade back and select blacklock. The optics automatically changes. It becomes we got Blacklock plus (whomever with those extra picks) for Buckner. And if Blacklock turns out to be anything close to Buckner it turns out to be a HUGE win.

Right, wrong or indifferent that's just what my gut tells me.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Gonna be a T ala Mike McGlinchey and the Madden WZers are gonna implode. I can't wait. That said, if they go DT, I'll implode.

Yup, I agree here. With reports indicating that Staley may not return, I think the 49ers go for a tackle. Jimmy G. got hit far too many times last season. I kept waiting for that surgically repaired knee to blow apart with every hit he took. Fortunately, it did not happen.

That hit he took in the Green Bay was it...thankfully he WAS wearing that brace but he did scream in pain. I wonder if his mobility was effected after that (and trust in protection).

Originally posted by evil:

I wouldn't be surprised if they don't take a DT at 13 even if both Brown and Kinlaw were there. They may want to avoid direct comparisons of DeFo VS the new guy, given that is the pick we got for DeFo.

I also wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if all 4 OT's are gone by 11 or 12. Oakland won't take one, but they could trade the pick to someone who does because teams will be weary we could take an OT.

Good points.

Originally posted by krizay:

And this is why my gut tells me we trade back and select blacklock. The optics automatically changes. It becomes we got Blacklock plus (whomever with those extra picks) for Buckner. And if Blacklock turns out to be anything close to Buckner it turns out to be a HUGE win.

Right, wrong or indifferent that's just what my gut tells me.

It's a sound take esp. with the inactivity in FA. They need more picks. THIS is John's off-season.

There really are only a couple of players that really stand out at the top of the draft. There's a lot of quality but the top 15 or 20 players could almost be lumped together. Where they get drafted will depend on team needs as much as true talent. Teams always look at Qbs in round one but all of the top 5 guys have some question marks.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Gonna be a T ala Mike McGlinchey and the Madden WZers are gonna implode. I can't wait. That said, if they go DT, I'll implode.

Yup, I agree here. With reports indicating that Staley may not return, I think the 49ers go for a tackle. Jimmy G. got hit far too many times last season. I kept waiting for that surgically repaired knee to blow apart with every hit he took. Fortunately, it did not happen.

I also wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if all 4 OT's are gone by 11 or 12.

Oh, I would be. That would be the greatest run on offensive tackles in the history of the NFL draft. The top four all gobbled up before the 12th pick?

I think the 49ers can safely trade back with the pick they got for Buckner and still pick up a very good tackle. He may not be the most highly rated on the board, but I'm going to trust both Lynch and Shanahan on this call. If they spend first round draft capital on a tackle, rest assured, he'll be the type of guy that fits into the Shanahan system seamlessly.

My guess is that Shanahan does not have the receivers rated evenly. If his top guy is there (I'm guessing Lamb) we'll take him. Otherwise I think we'll go with DB or OT. I really would not be surprised if CJ Henderson is the pick. CB2 is a big need and Sherman is entering the last year of his deal.

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by billbird2111:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Gonna be a T ala Mike McGlinchey and the Madden WZers are gonna implode. I can't wait. That said, if they go DT, I'll implode.

Yup, I agree here. With reports indicating that Staley may not return, I think the 49ers go for a tackle. Jimmy G. got hit far too many times last season. I kept waiting for that surgically repaired knee to blow apart with every hit he took. Fortunately, it did not happen.

I also wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if all 4 OT's are gone by 11 or 12.

Oh, I would be. That would be the greatest run on offensive tackles in the history of the NFL draft. The top four all gobbled up before the 12th pick?

I think the 49ers can safely trade back with the pick they got for Buckner and still pick up a very good tackle. He may not be the most highly rated on the board, but I'm going to trust both Lynch and Shanahan on this call. If they spend first round draft capital on a tackle, rest assured, he'll be the type of guy that fits into the Shanahan system seamlessly.

NYG
Miami (5 & 18)
SD
AZ
Jax (9 & 20)
Cle
NYJ
TB

8 teams inside the top 15 with needs at OT and 2 of those teams have another pick inside the top 20.

Also wouldn't be greatest run on tackles in the draft. 2013 saw 4 tackles off the board in the top 11 picks and a total of 6 OL off the board in the top 11 picks. When there is highly rated OT prospects in the draft, they tend to come off the board rather quickly.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

It's true that OLs are harder to find now but that makes the good ones stand out even more. With WRs running free in the all offense no defense college game it makes it harder to evaluate the true talent. You can measure the a speed, vertical, 3 cone etc but you still are watching film of guys playing against bad defense. That's especially true in the PAC12 and Big12. There are less linemen drafted in round one because teams always have visions of receivers, RBs and QBs lighting it up on Sunday. Unfortunately they fail way too often. You still have to pick those guys and roll the dice but they are not as safe as linemen.

Their are less lineman drafted in rd one because the talent hasn't been great overall. The coaching and what they ask them to do in college isn't on par with what they do/want in the NFL.

WR are dependent upon a lot. If you got a trash QB/Play caller and a bottom of the barrel OL a top end WR isn't going to be as effective. IMHO if you're a rebuilding team WR shouldn't be your top priority. When you have a super bowl caliber roster and don't have that WR then it makes much more sense.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Yup. And targets in FA too.

If we're looking at visits then they don't plan on drafting anyone in the 1st rd lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Yup. And targets in FA too.

If we're looking at visits then they don't plan on drafting anyone in the 1st rd lol

We we're talking types. not players per se.