Not sold on 49ers picking a WR with 13th Pick

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

i'm predicting kinlaw, makes the most sense

It would not suck to get Defo's replacement at that point.

Yup, gotta keep the line strong

Would be pretty underwhelming for me to swap DT for DT at #13. That's one place we're fairly deep. Strengthen the WR, OL or CB is the play hopefully imo

It's not just swapping DT for DT. You're also saving $68 million in cap space with a rookie over the next 4 years vs. Buckner ($16 million vs. $84 million). If Kinlaw can even partially fill the gap left by Buckner, that money can help us fix holes in other parts of our roster (and keep the guys we have now).

Given we're one of the most salary cap constrained teams in the league right now, I'd take Kinlaw and $68 million if we think he's a stud. I still like trading down and picking up Kinlaw or one of the top WRs or taking a tackle at 13 if Thomas is available.

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
i'm predicting kinlaw, makes the most sense

It would not suck to get Defo's replacement at that point.

Yup, gotta keep the line strong

Would be pretty underwhelming for me to swap DT for DT at #13. That's one place we're fairly deep. Strengthen the WR, OL or CB is the play hopefully imo

Indeed. The Dline is going to be worse, period, whether we draft Derrick Brown or Javon Kinlaw. A player would have to come in with rookie Ndamukong Suh like impact to replace Buckner. The defensive line is already going to be strong with everyone healthy this year. I prefer strengthening some other position groups. WR, OL, and CB as you suggested.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
i'm predicting kinlaw, makes the most sense

It would not suck to get Defo's replacement at that point.

Yup, gotta keep the line strong

Would be pretty underwhelming for me to swap DT for DT at #13. That's one place we're fairly deep. Strengthen the WR, OL or CB is the play hopefully imo

It's not just swapping DT for DT. You're also saving $68 million in cap space with a rookie over the next 4 years vs. Buckner ($16 million vs. $84 million). If Kinlaw can even partially fill the gap left by Buckner, that money can help us fix holes in other parts of our roster (and keep the guys we have now).

Given we're one of the most salary cap constrained teams in the league right now, I'd take Kinlaw and $68 million if we think he's a stud. I still like trading down and picking up Kinlaw or one of the top WRs or taking a tackle at 13 if Thomas is available.

I get the cap savings. I guess it boils to this..the Dline is already an elite group, right now without Buckner. The receivers can potentially become an elite group by adding a player that not only has outside speed, but can also do more than what Goodwin provided. It's a little harder with CB because I don't think anyone is under contract after this season. The OL could become an elite group with a great pass protecting and run blocking guard, but does such a player exist in this draft?

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

i'm predicting kinlaw, makes the most sense

It would not suck to get Defo's replacement at that point.

Yup, gotta keep the line strong

Would be pretty underwhelming for me to swap DT for DT at #13. That's one place we're fairly deep. Strengthen the WR, OL or CB is the play hopefully imo

its not underwhelming at all. john and kyle have said since they got hired, that a main point was to have an elite DL where you could rotate guys in. I dont see them going away from that, especially after dealing Buck.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

its not underwhelming at all. john and kyle have said since they got hired, that a main point was to have an elite DL where you could rotate guys in. I dont see them going away from that, especially after dealing Buck.

Doesnt force the hand at pick 13. Take Blacklock at 31 and its still an elite line. I'm all for moving back further. Madubuike in the mid second and its still an elite line.

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by m_brockalexander:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

i'm predicting kinlaw, makes the most sense

It would not suck to get Defo's replacement at that point.

Yup, gotta keep the line strong

Would be pretty underwhelming for me to swap DT for DT at #13. That's one place we're fairly deep. Strengthen the WR, OL or CB is the play hopefully imo

It's not just swapping DT for DT. You're also saving $68 million in cap space with a rookie over the next 4 years vs. Buckner ($16 million vs. $84 million). If Kinlaw can even partially fill the gap left by Buckner, that money can help us fix holes in other parts of our roster (and keep the guys we have now).

Given we're one of the most salary cap constrained teams in the league right now, I'd take Kinlaw and $68 million if we think he's a stud. I still like trading down and picking up Kinlaw or one of the top WRs or taking a tackle at 13 if Thomas is available.

The cap savings are already realized and will come into play no matter who we pick at 13. With Bosa and Armstead coming off strong years and Ford/Jones coming back healthy our dline will be ok. Its time to invest in other areas of the team.

Trade back from 31 to low 40s and take Blacklock or Madubuike.

Jeudy/Ruggs at 13. If they are gone trade back.

CB or OL in the 3rd.

I fail to see how our DL, in its current configuration, is elite.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
I fail to see how our DL, in its current configuration, is elite.

Still have Dee Ford, Bosa, and AA, with Blair (though I don't expect him at the start of the season), and a rising DJ Jones in the rotation. Tell me which Dline in the league is better and deeper. Remove one guy and all of a sudden people are talking like it's the 2016 Dline that got run on AND couldn't rush the passer.

This doesn't mean we shouldn't add more guys. We absolutely should. I'm hoping for another edge rusher, but to think we are suddenly not one of the best Dlines in the league because of the loss of Buckner is overstating the loss. That Dline was elite because we had 4 guys that we could put on the field that could beat their man one on one or could handle a double team. We were so deep that we could keep their snap counts low. Now we have 3 guys that we can put on the field at once that can consistently beat one on ones or could handle double teams. And we still have a pretty solid rotation that we can use if we add one or 2 guys to the Dline. We also saw our great Dline get neutralized by excessive holding. That isn't going anywhere as long as the referees aren't calling this. The only way we are going to maintain what we had last year or get better is for one, we get Aaron Donald (and that ain't happening, or two, referees call the holding. I'm not holding my breath on that either. Add talent to the Dline, but we need to get elite at another position group. Far easier to do it at receiver than it is at any other position group.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Still have Dee Ford, Bosa, and AA, with Blair (though I don't expect him at the start of the season), and a rising DJ Jones in the rotation. Tell me which Dline in the league is better and deeper. Remove one guy and all of a sudden people are talking like it's the 2016 Dline that got run on AND couldn't rush the passer.

This doesn't mean we shouldn't add more guys. We absolutely should. I'm hoping for another edge rusher, but to think we are suddenly not one of the best Dlines in the league because of the loss of Buckner is overstating the loss. That Dline was elite because we had 4 guys that we could put on the field that could beat their man one on one or could handle a double team. We were so deep that we could keep their snap counts low. Now we have 3 guys that we can put on the field at once that can consistently beat one on ones or could handle double teams. And we still have a pretty solid rotation that we can use if we add one or 2 guys to the Dline. We also saw our great Dline get neutralized by excessive holding. That isn't going anywhere as long as the referees aren't calling this. The only way we are going to maintain what we had last year or get better is for one, we get Aaron Donald (and that ain't happening, or two, referees call the holding. I'm not holding my breath on that either. Add talent to the Dline, but we need to get elite at another position group. Far easier to do it at receiver than it is at any other position group.

Sounds to me like blind justification for a WR. Prior to last year year, AA was considered average at best by the most optimistic of fans. Dee Ford has been a walking injury his entire career. Blair is solid, but not elite. Street, Thomas, and Taylor have shown nothing, including the ability to stay on the field for two of them. Jones is ascending, and Bosa is elite. We had an elite starting DL, when healthy last year, and decent depth. We lost Buckner and Day. AA in expecting big things, but this far is a one year wonder in a contract year. Aside from Bosa, everyone else is either injured or unproven.

I'd do Kinlaw at #13 then Mims or Higgins at #31.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

I get the cap savings. I guess it boils to this..the Dline is already an elite group, right now without Buckner. The receivers can potentially become an elite group by adding a player that not only has outside speed, but can also do more than what Goodwin provided. It's a little harder with CB because I don't think anyone is under contract after this season. The OL could become an elite group with a great pass protecting and run blocking guard, but does such a player exist in this draft?

No WR we add at 13 makes our receivers an elite group. There isn't a dominant #1 receiver in this class like a Julio Jones or AJ Green. No one we draft at 13 is going to replace the impact of Buckner regardless of position (hence why a team was willing to pay $84 million for him and give up the 13th pick).

We're a little better with Jeudy or Lamb at 13 than we would be with Aiyuk or Mims at 31 just as we're a little better with Kinlaw at 13 than Blackrock at 31.

Without training camp, Deebo Samuel is likely to be our #1 WR next year. There are plenty WRs in this draft who can be decent #2 WRs and there aren't a lot of targets to go around given how much we'll throw the ball to Kittle and RBs.

If Staley retires, drafting a LT would add by far the most value. Otherwise we should go with the BPA at 13 which may be a WR, DT, or OT (or trade down).

Gotta wonder if there will be less trades in this yrs draft because of the virtual draft? Hopefully they can add time to each pick...I feel like it's gonna be difficult to call multiple people from multiple houses (on both ends) to agree upon a trade.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Gotta wonder if there will be less trades in this yrs draft because of the virtual draft? Hopefully they can add time to each pick...I feel like it's gonna be difficult to call multiple people from multiple houses (on both ends) to agree upon a trade.

I've been wondering the same. Too bad they can't IM each other while talking on the phone. There could be more trades that way.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Gotta wonder if there will be less trades in this yrs draft because of the virtual draft? Hopefully they can add time to each pick...I feel like it's gonna be difficult to call multiple people from multiple houses (on both ends) to agree upon a trade.

I dont think it will an issue. Its not like the teams go door to door in prior draft, they pick up the phone and call. Teams that embrace IT will have an advantage though.