Not sold on 49ers picking a WR with 13th Pick

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Gotta wonder if there will be less trades in this yrs draft because of the virtual draft? Hopefully they can add time to each pick...I feel like it's gonna be difficult to call multiple people from multiple houses (on both ends) to agree upon a trade.

I've been wondering the same. Too bad they can't IM each other while talking on the phone. There could be more trades that way.

I think there will still be trades in the early rounds because you can throw some possible scenarios around with other GM"s before the draft.
If you want to move up or back in the later rounds I think it's gonna be harder given the short time between picks.
Thankfully we will find out soon.

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Gotta wonder if there will be less trades in this yrs draft because of the virtual draft? Hopefully they can add time to each pick...I feel like it's gonna be difficult to call multiple people from multiple houses (on both ends) to agree upon a trade.

I dont think it will an issue. Its not like the teams go door to door in prior draft, they pick up the phone and call. Teams that embrace IT will have an advantage though.

Teams should be able to still have a war room as long as they are 6 feet apart social distancing. They may have smaller groups in the war room but I don't see a reason why they couldn't have 4-6 people in the room as long as the room is large enough.

I don't see this team taking a wr at 13. I think it's going to be a cb ot or trade back. There is too much wr talent to take one at 13 Look at last year's A. J. Brown first wr taken Debo 2nd round and they were nearly identical production. You can find scheme fit wrs late first early second with a small trade back.

I get what yall are saying but the bust rate of a WR grows by round. Yes its high in the first but even worse in the 2nd. Got to trust your draft board. If you pass on a WR at 13 and the one you do eventually pick doesnt produce you are right back where we were last year before the Sanders trade. Which is roght back where we were since TO.

If we do pass on a WR and go with one of the top tackles id be fine. I would hope we would draft 2 WRs at that point.

Originally posted by Izyniner:

I don't see this team taking a wr at 13. I think it's going to be a cb ot or trade back. There is too much wr talent to take one at 13 Look at last year's A. J. Brown first wr taken Debo 2nd round and they were nearly identical production. You can find scheme fit wrs late first early second with a small trade back.

Hollywood was drafted at 25
N'Keal was drafted at 32
Deebo was drafted at 36
AJ Brown was drafted at 51

But last year's class didn't have any prospects who were seen as consensus top 20 prospects.

Originally posted by Izyniner:

I don't see this team taking a wr at 13. I think it's going to be a cb ot or trade back. There is too much wr talent to take one at 13 Look at last year's A. J. Brown first wr taken Debo 2nd round and they were nearly identical production. You can find scheme fit wrs late first early second with a small trade back.

Can people please stop comparing different draft classes

Originally posted by miked1978:
I get what yall are saying but the bust rate of a WR grows by round. Yes its high in the first but even worse in the 2nd. Got to trust your draft board. If you pass on a WR at 13 and the one you do eventually pick doesnt produce you are right back where we were last year before the Sanders trade. Which is roght back where we were since TO.

If we do pass on a WR and go with one of the top tackles id be fine. I would hope we would draft 2 WRs at that point.

I agree with you. We need to get this issue addressed once and for all. The WR problem on this team has cost us two 2nd rounders , one 3rd rounder the last two years and already another second rounder for this coming up draft. All that draft capital spent and WR is still probably this teams biggest need . I am not saying we should reach for a guy . We just need to get this WR problem solved with the next WR we take . I am not sure waiting to take the 4th-5th rated WR on your draft board or potentially further down is the best way to make sure we get that pick right. The best chance to get this right is by landing the #1 WR on our draft board. Again, we don't want to over reach, when we do draft a WR we will want to make sure his value is worthy of the pick we are taking him at.

Originally posted by miked1978:
I get what yall are saying but the bust rate of a WR grows by round. Yes its high in the first but even worse in the 2nd. Got to trust your draft board. If you pass on a WR at 13 and the one you do eventually pick doesnt produce you are right back where we were last year before the Sanders trade. Which is roght back where we were since TO.

If we do pass on a WR and go with one of the top tackles id be fine. I would hope we would draft 2 WRs at that point.

You know that the bust rate grows by round for every position, right?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Izyniner:

I don't see this team taking a wr at 13. I think it's going to be a cb ot or trade back. There is too much wr talent to take one at 13 Look at last year's A. J. Brown first wr taken Debo 2nd round and they were nearly identical production. You can find scheme fit wrs late first early second with a small trade back.

Can people please stop comparing different draft classes

Well this is the DRAFT forum

Originally posted by dhp318:

Originally posted by miked1978:
I get what yall are saying but the bust rate of a WR grows by round. Yes its high in the first but even worse in the 2nd. Got to trust your draft board. If you pass on a WR at 13 and the one you do eventually pick doesnt produce you are right back where we were last year before the Sanders trade. Which is roght back where we were since TO.

If we do pass on a WR and go with one of the top tackles id be fine. I would hope we would draft 2 WRs at that point.

You know that the bust rate grows by round for every position, right?

The prevailing thought this year "supposedly" is that the bust rate on WRs will be lower until the ending rounds.

Bill Walsh said you draft defense and develop and scheme offense. That's what got us to the Super Bowl last year and what we need to do again this year. I know there's a draft worthy WR at 13 but if we have a defensive player there I'd prefer we went that route. If the right DL candidate is there at 13 we need to take him. Then later in the round we need a CB. On offense we should have Hird coming back and that dude is like Deebo Samuels. Another mismatch waiting to happen.

We have to replace two key losses this offeason with Buck and E Sanders. Then we gotta get a another starting DB. Ideally for me though we go DL at 13 then at 31 we go OL because you win in the trenches. We can scheme up an offense under Kyle using tweeter players that cause mismatches that you can oftentimes get cheaply because other coaches aren't creative enough to scheme up ways to use them but to get a Buckner or a Staley you typically have to invest a great deal of draft capital

NE rarely drafted on offense high in the draft unless it was on the OL. They even got Brady in the 6th but they won with high defensive draft picks. We need to do the same especially with a legitimate QB and a genius play caller coach. I know we don't want to hear that with all the flashy WRs at our pick but we have to have a philosophy and stick with it. If we do go WR it better be Ruggs or Jeudy

Originally posted by Pillbusta:

Bill Walsh said you draft defense and develop and scheme offense. That's what got us to the Super Bowl last year and what we need to do again this year. I know there's a draft worthy WR at 13 but if we have a defensive player there I'd prefer we went that route. If the right DL candidate is there at 13 we need to take him. Then later in the round we need a CB. On offense we should have Hird coming back and that dude is like Deebo Samuels. Another mismatch waiting to happen.

We have to replace two key losses this offeason with Buck and E Sanders. Then we gotta get a another starting DB. Ideally for me though we go DL at 13 then at 31 we go OL because you win in the trenches. We can scheme up an offense under Kyle using tweeter players that cause mismatches that you can oftentimes get cheaply because other coaches aren't creative enough to scheme up ways to use them but to get a Buckner or a Staley you typically have to invest a great deal of draft capital

NE rarely drafted on offense high in the draft unless it was on the OL. They even got Brady in the 6th but they won with high defensive draft picks. We need to do the same especially with a legitimate QB and a genius play caller coach. I know we don't want to hear that with all the flashy WRs at our pick but we have to have a philosophy and stick with it. If we do go WR it better be Ruggs or Jeudy

And Walsh didn't have 1st round picks for 5 years of his tenure as the 9ers head coach. I guess you can get away with that when you picked #16 in the 3rd, but he did use a 1st on Jerry.

I'm with you though, I'd probably pick defense at #13 and receiver at #31 as you can't really expect a ROOKIE to replace a 10 year pro like Emanuel Sanders anyway.

You can grab Jeudy, Ruggs, or Lamb at #13 but don't expect them to be what you want right away. I'd prefer to draft someone with a high upside and develop them like Denzel Mims. This way you're giving Hurd, Pettis, and Bourne a fair shot at becoming a productive player. You draft the big 3 (Ruggs,lamb,Jeudy) there and that's that, they are penciled in as the future starter and those guys have been replaced before they've even started. That is a bad use of draft capital.

Our defense has been legit for years. It's time to spice up the offense. We have continued to draft defense in the first round it's time to switch it up

If jeudys there you take him. I could pass on the others. Route runners win. We haven't had a seperation guy in years

Originally posted by fan49:

If jeudys there you take him. I could pass on the others. Route runners win. We haven't had a seperation guy in years

I'm taking Jeudy or Ruggs, I'll trade down if both are gone. I don't think Ruggs is a 1 trick pony and I think if he puts it all together he can be the best wr in the class.