Not sold on 49ers picking a WR with 13th Pick

Originally posted by OsBoogie:
I don't think anyone is asking to get ripped off. Sure, getting extra value back is great, but even looking at what is considered fair value is what I think most here are saying.

There may be one of the WRs there, a QB, an OT.

There will definitely also be a guy for us to take later than 13.

You have to have a partner to dance with, though. Who will people want at 13 that allows us to trade down to begin with? It's not nearly as automated as we'd like to believe,...and you can only work with the offers you have on the table for your pick.

Frantically working the phones if your 1A and 1B is not there is certainly not the way to do business,...but I keep seeing it posted as such.

Perhaps suggesting Herbert or Tua maybe dropping and who would want them is just an example of what people could do to fill in the gap with the lazy "we'll just trade down" projections?

Because if there's no legit scenarios we can think up and post here,...still having a top 20 pick and other good value in a trade down is maybe not as realistic as we'd like to believe.

Originally posted by random49er:

You have to have a partner to dance with, though. Who will people want at 13 that allows us to trade down to begin with? It's not nearly as automated as we'd like to believe,...and you can only work with the offers you have on the table for your pick.

Frantically working the phones if your 1A and 1B is not there is certainly not the way to do business,...but I keep seeing it posted as such.

Perhaps suggesting Herbert or Tua maybe dropping and who would want them is just an example of what people could do to fill in the gap with the lazy "we'll just trade down" projections?

Because if there's no legit scenarios we can think up and post here,...still having a top 20 pick and other good value in a trade down is maybe not as realistic as we'd like to believe.

You are making it too complicated. Theres too many scenarios to list. If there is only 1 WR of the big 3 left someone may want to move up. Perhaps Eagles or Vikings or Broncos. If there is only 1 OT of the big 4, someone will want to move up, especially since Tampa would likely take said player. Possibly Dolphins or Broncos. Or Tampa to prevent us from trading it to someone else. If Brown or Kinlaw is still on the board, there will be trade interest. Maybe Jags if they pass on DT early. If anyone wants Chaisson, they may want to jump in front of Atlanta. Love is a trade up target. Tua could fall because of the medicals and someone moves up. Patriots in play for both.

All scenarios could move you back between 15 and 25 and add additional picks in the 2nd and/or 3rd rounds.

Originally posted by scooterhd:
You are making it too complicated. Theres too many scenarios to list. If there is only 1 WR of the big 3 left someone may want to move up. Perhaps Eagles or Vikings or Broncos. If there is only 1 OT of the big 4, someone will want to move up, especially since Tampa would likely take said player. Possibly Dolphins or Broncos. Or Tampa to prevent us from trading it to someone else. If Brown or Kinlaw is still on the board, there will be trade interest. Maybe Jags if they pass on DT early. If anyone wants Chaisson, they may want to jump in front of Atlanta. Love is a trade up target. Tua could fall because of the medicals and someone moves up. Patriots in play for both.

All scenarios could move you back between 15 and 25 and add additional picks in the 2nd and/or 3rd rounds.

You think I'm making it to complex...I think others are making it too simple.

Case in point the 1st two players you listed,....I think there's a good chance we take either of those 2 to begin filling in for Buckner over trading down.

I would not be surprised at all if that's the main area of the team they want to keep fortified,...since it led us to the Super Bowl.

Someone might think it's "too high" to take Kinlaw,....where I would think ask why is it not too high for another team be chomping at the bit to trade up and get him?

These discussions cant come about with pre-automated trade downs people want to make that are maybe not as likely as they'd like to believe.

Originally posted by random49er:
You have to have a partner to dance with, though. Who will people want at 13 that allows us to trade down to begin with? It's not nearly as automated as we'd like to believe,...and you can only work with the offers you have on the table for your pick.

Frantically working the phones if your 1A and 1B is not there is certainly not the way to do business,...but I keep seeing it posted as such.

Perhaps suggesting Herbert or Tua maybe dropping and who would want them is just an example of what people could do to fill in the gap with the lazy "we'll just trade down" projections?

Because if there's no legit scenarios we can think up and post here,...still having a top 20 pick and other good value in a trade down is maybe not as realistic as we'd like to believe.

I think everyone understands this though. It's obvious. Just seems like a sweet spot for players to be there that trade offers should come. Nobody is saying force a trade and get ripped off.

Suggesting anyone in particular is there is actually far less probable than suggesting a group of desirable targets that can be there. Or just know that at least 1 of the WRs/QBs/OT has to be there and those are different teams that would want to trade up.

We are saying preferable, not making a mock saying Den trades up for Ruggs or whatnot.

The trade value matters for sure. Am I trading down 3 spots for a 3rd rounder? Probably not depending on who is there at 13.
Trading down to the mid 20's for a 2nd sounds better to me. Again, depends on who's there at 13.

If you want mocks, that's another thing all together.

Originally posted by random49er:
You have to have a partner to dance with, though. Who will people want at 13 that allows us to trade down to begin with? It's not nearly as automated as we'd like to believe,...and you can only work with the offers you have on the table for your pick.

Frantically working the phones if your 1A and 1B is not there is certainly not the way to do business,...but I keep seeing it posted as such.

Perhaps suggesting Herbert or Tua maybe dropping and who would want them is just an example of what people could do to fill in the gap with the lazy "we'll just trade down" projections?

Because if there's no legit scenarios we can think up and post here,...still having a top 20 pick and other good value in a trade down is maybe not as realistic as we'd like to believe.

When we have pick 13, someone will always want to dance with us. Its Lynch's job to play hard to get and get the interested parties to up their offers until he gets one that he likes or if they are all bad, then he will stand pat. I am almost certain he will get multiple offers for the 13th pick. if I were him now, I would put the word out among the GMs that his 13th pick is in play, and give them some time to package something for us. Could be a combination package of a current roster player plus Picks in exchange for 13th, that could do the trick for Lynch. Getting a back up player from another team plus their pick might be ok for us. At least the bottom 10 teams picking would love to be able to pick 13th, and those are likely the dance partners.

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by btthepunk:

Originally posted by FredFlintstone:

Originally posted by fan49:

If jeudys there you take him. I could pass on the others. Route runners win. We haven't had a seperation guy in years

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I'm taking Jeudy or Ruggs, I'll trade down if both are gone. I don't think Ruggs is a 1 trick pony and I think if he puts it all together he can be the best wr in the class.

I don't understand why people can't realize that Ruggs is much more than speed. He runs routes well, he can go up to snag a ball from the air, and has excellent hands. If he was a few inches taller he'd be a top 5 pick.

this, folks acting like he came from a Big 12 spread offense. Dude played in the SEC against NFL prospects and for a coach that runs an NFL like team from top to bottom. He didnt just run go routes and posts his whole career, my fear is the Gruden will take him and he'll be the 1st wr to go. Like I said I want Ruggs or Jeudy, want absolutely nothing to do with Lamb I dont get the hype of playing in that silly Big 12 with no defense and YAC when Ruggs and Jeudy did the same thing in the SEC. And I can give a damn about 50-50 go up and get it over the defender balls, thats not Jimmy's game for one and if youre not a Julio or Megatron those plays are stupid unless its a must with time running out and like last play of the game crap.

I also saw that Ruggs has bigger hands than both Lamb and Jeudy.

Ruggs at 13. Trade down from 31. Simple

It's gonna suck sweating through those first twelve picks especially the damn Raiders

Originally posted by random49er:

You think I'm making it to complex...I think others are making it too simple.

Case in point the 1st two players you listed,....I think there's a good chance we take either of those 2 to begin filling in for Buckner over trading down.

I would not be surprised at all if that's the main area of the team they want to keep fortified,...since it led us to the Super Bowl.

Someone might think it's "too high" to take Kinlaw,....where I would think ask why is it not too high for another team be chomping at the bit to trade up and get him?

These discussions cant come about with pre-automated trade downs people want to make that are maybe not as likely as they'd like to believe.

Still wise to leverage draft capital. Let's assume Kinlaw, Thomas, and Ruggs are on the board, without any of the other top wideouts or tackles. And the 49ers target is Kinlaw, but they are also happy to trade back to Blacklock. Let's assume the 49ers have confidence that Tampa wants Thomas at 14 and that the Broncos want Thomas or Ruggs. Well if we draft Ruggs, Tampa takes Thomas and the Broncos miss out.
Play the Broncos hand, make them give a third rounder to move to 13. And you get your main target Kinlaw at 15. its not a 90 second fantasy clock. teams make dozen of calls before the pick. get working.

Originally posted by 91til:

Ruggs at 13. Trade down from 31. Simple

It's gonna suck sweating through those first twelve picks especially the damn Raiders

I'm gonna yell as if we won a big game if raiders pass on Ruggs and he's there and I'll probably throw something if we pass on him. Raiders for sure have me sweating

I wasn't initially a fan of taking a DT at 13 but after doing some research and watching Kinlaw, man that guy is disruptive. He almost reminds me of Aaron Donald a little bit. He's so consistent at beating his man, and getting pressure on the QB. I would not be mad at that pick at all. In fact, if indeed we were serious about getting him or someone else, I'd be exctatic about maybe getting Pittman, or someone else down the line with the 31st pick or later in day 2 if we traded out of it.

....and he has alot of room to grow. If we're in on a #13 take,...the two Dlinemen are atop my list of who we'd probably choose.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by illinois9er:

Would be pretty underwhelming for me to swap DT for DT at #13. That's one place we're fairly deep. Strengthen the WR, OL or CB is the play hopefully imo

I'd rather trade down then draft one of the two top DTs.

"Then" or "than"? Depending on the context that sentence has two COMPLETELY different meanings.

Wonder how many times b4 the draft I'll have the chance to re-guess who we take @ #13 if we stay put...
Will probably be too busy so here goes...

49ers 13th Pick Probable Takes (IMO)

1. Derrick Brown
2. Tristan Wirfs
3. Javon Kinlaw
4. CJ Henderson
5. Henry Ruggs
6. CeeDee Lamb
7. Andrew Thomas
8. Jerry Jeudy

Originally posted by random49er:

Wonder how many times b4 the draft I'll have the chance to re-guess who we take @ #13 if we stay put...
Will probably be too busy so here goes...

49ers 13th Pick Probable Takes (IMO)

1. Derrick Brown
2. Tristan Wirfs
3. Javon Kinlaw
4. CJ Henderson
5. Henry Ruggs
6. CeeDee Lamb
7. Andrew Thomas
8. Jerry Jeudy

I'd guess

1. Kinlaw
2. Wirfs
3. Ruggs

If Derick Brown is there at 13 that means the NFL isn't as high on him as we all thought, which would likely be because of his "weakness" (using the term loosely as it is relative just to a top 15 pick) being his impact as a pass rusher. This would put Kinlaw at DT1, I would assume.

My thoughts on pick 13. I can see why people like Ruggs. He is fast and you can not teach his kind of speed. Is he the next Tyreek Hill or John Ross? I don't know. I would draft Tyreek Hill and 13 not Ross. I like Lamb and 13. I'm not a Jerry Jeudy fan at 13 I could be totally wrong I think Justin Jefferson is comparable to Jeudy and they should be drafted around the same position. Move Justin Jefferson up or Jeudy down ? About the OL I think they like OL that can move and most of there starting OL is around 300LB to 315Lb. I don't think they want to draft a 320 to 330lb OL. The only highly rated OL that are around there are Andrew Thomas and Jedrick Wills, I really like Wills. What would be my dream pick Jeff Okudah or Jedrick Wills falling to 13. I think there both elite plus both at a position of need and I think they will both be gone before 13. If they take anyone of the WR or even CJ Henderson at 13 I would be ok with it.