Not sold on 49ers picking a WR with 13th Pick

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by JTB1974:
Bourne=Good redzone WR, but not an every down WR. He's a good #4 WR and maybe #3
Hurd=question mark. Not even sure if he will be healthy enough to play
Taylor=question mark. Also getting over injuries.
Goodwin=question mark
Pettis=question mark
Wilson JR=Might not even make the team if they find a special teams replacement.

As of now we only have Deebo we can count on at the WR position, as far as playing every down. Even without Defo the Niners have the best Dline in the league.

Wilson Jr is a WR?

I'm sure he meant Richie James.

Originally posted by Costanza:

Taking a DT at 13 would be a total buzzkill.

It's not a sexy pick, but Kinlaw makes all the since in the world. For some reason people are kind of overlooking how much of a loss Buckner was to our Dline. Now I believe in guys like DJ Jones and Jullian Taylor but this guy is on another Level. Teams would have to double team Kinlaw much like they had to with buckner, he can play everywhere on the line at a premier level and i believe has a chance to ultimately be a upgrade over Buckner. We would be very lucky if he's still there at 13. I think Carolina, Oakland or a team like TB or Denver could trade up and get him. But if he's there at 13 I believe he will be the pick.

Originally posted by ninersnw:

Originally posted by Costanza:

Taking a DT at 13 would be a total buzzkill.

It's not a sexy pick, but Kinlaw makes all the since in the world. For some reason people are kind of overlooking how much of a loss Buckner was to our Dline. Now I believe in guys like DJ Jones and Jullian Taylor but this guy is on another Level of those guys. Teams would have to double team Kinlaw much like they had to with buckner, he can play everywhere on the line at a premier level and i believe has a chance to ultimately be a upgrade over Buckner. We would be very lucky if he's still there at 13. I think Carolina, Oakland or a team like TB or Denver could trade up and get him. But if he's there at 13 I believe he will be the pick.

I dont understand this mentality at all. Plug AA into that spot and rotate Soloman Thomas in regularly to figure out if hes with keeping.

Between AA, ST, Jones, and a laundry list of bench players, the Niners could/should figure out who is worth keeping this year.

If Armstead isnt ready to step into that role, why did they give him that contract?

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by ninersnw:

Originally posted by Costanza:
Taking a DT at 13 would be a total buzzkill.

It's not a sexy pick, but Kinlaw makes all the since in the world. For some reason people are kind of overlooking how much of a loss Buckner was to our Dline. Now I believe in guys like DJ Jones and Jullian Taylor but this guy is on another Level of those guys. Teams would have to double team Kinlaw much like they had to with buckner, he can play everywhere on the line at a premier level and i believe has a chance to ultimately be a upgrade over Buckner. We would be very lucky if he's still there at 13. I think Carolina, Oakland or a team like TB or Denver could trade up and get him. But if he's there at 13 I believe he will be the pick.

I dont understand this mentality at all. Plug AA into that spot and rotate Soloman Thomas in regularly to figure out if hes with keeping.

Between AA, ST, Jones, and a laundry list of bench players, the Niners could/should figure out who is worth keeping this year.

If Armstead isnt ready to step into that role, why did they give him that contract?

Agreed, plus throw in some more snaps for Street as the 4th interior guy.

While I'm not down with drafting DTs early anymore, I will always believe in building the trenches.

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Bourne=Good redzone WR, but not an every down WR. He's a good #4 WR and maybe #3
Hurd=question mark. Not even sure if he will be healthy enough to play
Taylor=question mark. Also getting over injuries.
Goodwin=question mark
Pettis=question mark
Wilson JR=Might not even make the team if they find a special teams replacement.

As of now we only have Deebo we can count on at the WR position, as far as playing every down. Even without Defo the Niners have the best Dline in the league.

Just listening to Eric Davis...not a fan at all of WR at 13 (and he really likes Jeudy and Ruggs). He thinks Deebo has Steve Smith Jr. like ability and mindset. Throw is a 1,200 to 1,300 yard TE in Kittle, he thinks they can easily get that 3rd WR later...H/W/S guy to develop.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Agreed, plus throw in some more snaps for Street as the 4th interior guy.

Those guys don't scare teams enough to constantly have to double like Buckner provided. Soloman Thomas is not the answer, like it or not. I do like DJ Jones and Jullian Taylor, and also have high Hopes for Kevin Givens, But DJ is the only one who has shown flashes of being a true difference maker, and he will be a free agent next year and will likely command a Large contract. Javon has a chance to be a dominator. He will free up everyone around him and is extremely versatile. He can play DE at a very high level if need be. The guy would be very valuable asset to our defense.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Bourne=Good redzone WR, but not an every down WR. He's a good #4 WR and maybe #3
Hurd=question mark. Not even sure if he will be healthy enough to play
Taylor=question mark. Also getting over injuries.
Goodwin=question mark
Pettis=question mark
Wilson JR=Might not even make the team if they find a special teams replacement.

As of now we only have Deebo we can count on at the WR position, as far as playing every down. Even without Defo the Niners have the best Dline in the league.

Just listening to Eric Davis...not a fan at all of WR at 13 (and he really likes Jeudy and Ruggs). He thinks Deebo has Steve Smith Jr. like ability and mindset. Throw is a 1,200 to 1,300 yard TE in Kittle, he thinks they can easily get that 3rd WR later...H/W/S guy to develop.

That would be fine if we had serviceable back up WRs, but outside of Bourne, you can't depend on no one else. So if Deebo or Bourne have to miss time, or Kittle, our passing game will look even worse than before Sanders got here. Gotta go WR, especially for Jimmys sake. So far we got worse on offense this offseason. Thats not gonna help Jimmy get better.

Originally posted by ninersnw:

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Agreed, plus throw in some more snaps for Street as the 4th interior guy.

Those guys don't scare teams enough to constantly have to double those guys like Buckner provided. Soloman Thomas is not the answer, like it or not. I do like DJ Jones and Jullian Taylor, and also have high Hopes for Kevin Givens, But DJ is the only one who has shown flashes of being a true difference maker, and he will be a free agent next year and will likely command a Large contract. Javon has a chance to be a dominator. He will free up everyone around him and is extremely versatile. He can play DE at a very high level if need be. The guy would be very valuable asset to our defense.

Last year, AA played early downs at big end and rotated into the middle on passing downs. This isnt about drafting a DT, it's about AA playing big end. That's where they should be focusing their draft picks.

Players like AJ Espenza or lower rated DEs that could plug into the big end position are a much bigger gap right now.

Originally posted by Heroism:

While I'm not down with drafting DTs early anymore, I will always believe in building the trenches.

I still genuinely throw at fit...then calm down...remember I subscribe to this philosophy too and just be irritated it's only on one side of the line.

Originally posted by Butter:

I dont understand this mentality at all. Plug AA into that spot and rotate Soloman Thomas in regularly to figure out if hes with keeping.

Between AA, ST, Jones, and a laundry list of bench players, the Niners could/should figure out who is worth keeping this year.

If Armstead isnt ready to step into that role, why did they give him that contract?

AA will likely continue in the same role. Why move him to a different role when he excelled in the one he was in?

Right now I would think ST, Taylor, Street and Givens are guys who will get a crack at replacing DeFo's snaps at 3T.

Originally posted by Butter:

Last year, AA played early downs at big end and rotated into the middle on passing downs. This isnt about drafting a DT, it's about AA playing big end. That's where they should be focusing their draft picks.

Players like AJ Espenza or lower rated DEs that could plug into the big end position are a much bigger gap right now.

Hear hear !

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Butter:

I dont understand this mentality at all. Plug AA into that spot and rotate Soloman Thomas in regularly to figure out if hes with keeping.

Between AA, ST, Jones, and a laundry list of bench players, the Niners could/should figure out who is worth keeping this year.

If Armstead isnt ready to step into that role, why did they give him that contract?

AA will likely continue in the same role. Why move him to a different role when he excelled in the one he was in?

Right now I would think ST, Taylor, Street and Givens are guys who will get a crack at replacing DeFo's snaps at 3T.

If AA excelled at end, why did eighty percent of his sacks come with Ford on the field twenty five percent of the time?

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Butter:

I dont understand this mentality at all. Plug AA into that spot and rotate Soloman Thomas in regularly to figure out if hes with keeping.

Between AA, ST, Jones, and a laundry list of bench players, the Niners could/should figure out who is worth keeping this year.

If Armstead isnt ready to step into that role, why did they give him that contract?

AA will likely continue in the same role. Why move him to a different role when he excelled in the one he was in?

Right now I would think ST, Taylor, Street and Givens are guys who will get a crack at replacing DeFo's snaps at 3T.

Because DeFo is gone. AA was playing out of position because DeFo was the man and Ford isnt a 3 down player. DeFos gone now, so why wont they slide him inside full time? That leaves the gap for early down DE.

The only reason to draft a DT early this year is because the DE class is weak, but I think there are some interesting projects at big end that are worth taking a look at.

Originally posted by BOI49er:

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by Butter:

I dont understand this mentality at all. Plug AA into that spot and rotate Soloman Thomas in regularly to figure out if hes with keeping.

Between AA, ST, Jones, and a laundry list of bench players, the Niners could/should figure out who is worth keeping this year.

If Armstead isnt ready to step into that role, why did they give him that contract?

AA will likely continue in the same role. Why move him to a different role when he excelled in the one he was in?

Right now I would think ST, Taylor, Street and Givens are guys who will get a crack at replacing DeFo's snaps at 3T.

If AA excelled at end, why did eighty percent of his sacks come with Ford on the field twenty five percent of the time?

Excelling at end is more than just pass rush. He also wasn't being asked to be a rush end in nickel packages, it was in our base package.

Why move him to 3T when he can continue as the base end who moves inside for nickel? It was like how we chose not to move Glinch to LT when Staley went down. Kyle kept the right side as is knowing it wasn't an issue allowing him to only have to worry about the left side of the line.