Not sold on 49ers picking a WR with 13th Pick

Armstead is not a great fit for a full-time 3tech in this scheme. He's too damn inconsistent off the ball.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Armstead is not a great fit for a full-time 3tech in this scheme. He's too damn inconsistent off the ball.

If the Niners do not draft a DT in the early rounds, what is the rotation for base and nickel as of now?

Originally posted by TheGore49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by JTB1974:

Bourne=Good redzone WR, but not an every down WR. He's a good #4 WR and maybe #3
Hurd=question mark. Not even sure if he will be healthy enough to play
Taylor=question mark. Also getting over injuries.
Goodwin=question mark
Pettis=question mark
Wilson JR=Might not even make the team if they find a special teams replacement.

As of now we only have Deebo we can count on at the WR position, as far as playing every down. Even without Defo the Niners have the best Dline in the league.

Just listening to Eric Davis...not a fan at all of WR at 13 (and he really likes Jeudy and Ruggs). He thinks Deebo has Steve Smith Jr. like ability and mindset. Throw is a 1,200 to 1,300 yard TE in Kittle, he thinks they can easily get that 3rd WR later...H/W/S guy to develop.

That would be fine if we had serviceable back up WRs, but outside of Bourne, you can't depend on no one else. So if Deebo or Bourne have to miss time, or Kittle, our passing game will look even worse than before Sanders got here. Gotta go WR, especially for Jimmys sake. So far we got worse on offense this offseason. Thats not gonna help Jimmy get better.

You could say that about every team...if they lose their #1 or #2 target (like we did with Kittle for a couple games, Sanders too), it's going to effect you. It's rare to have 3 top notch passing options esp. for a non spread offense.

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Armstead is not a great fit for a full-time 3tech in this scheme. He's too damn inconsistent off the ball.

If the Niners do not draft a DT in the early rounds, what is the rotation for base and nickel as of now?

Hero is the the man to ask but my guess would be:

Base:
AA - Jones - Taylor - Bosa

Nickel:
Ford - AA - Thomas - Bosa

Originally posted by NCommand:
Hero is the the man to ask but my guess would be:

Base:
AA - Jones - Taylor - Bosa

Nickel:
Ford - AA - Thomas - Bosa

As of today, this is likely right.

Originally posted by Oilcan:
Yes there will be issues assimilating to the offense this year, I would take that into consideration but to adjust your pick to that I feel would be short sided.
I would not pass up the BPA or the player you would other wise take, that could come back to bite us in the ass in the long run.

Just looking at all the dates leading up to the new season.
April 23-25 - Draft, done online
May 1st to say around Middle of May - Rookies training camp, free agent and UDFA try outs. - This is gone, not going to happen due to Covid
Mid May to Mid June - 10 OTA practices ending with a short minicamp. This is also lost due to covid
Mid June to late July - OFF
Late July - second half of August - Full Training Camp
Late August - Pre- Season games

As far as I can see, under the best case scenario, the 3 week training camp starting late July will be earliest that coaches can get to see their draftees in person, assuming the covid restrictions have been lifted. Then they have the 4 pre season games for the cut downs. And the season starts for real after that. Under the worse case scenario, even Training Camp and Pre-Season is lost. I just don't see how skill players can assimilate in this time.YOu are going to spend a 13 pick on a WR for him to sit out the season?

There are good arguments for taking a player at WR,CB and OL. With a little luck, we should be able to fill at least 2 of those spots. This draft is different than past drafts because it seems there are players in the top 20 spread equally between QBs, WRs, OL and at least one each at CB, DE, DT and LB. It really is going to come down to what the 12 teams in front of us do. There could be trades and there is always the usual run on QBs. Since the draft is so deep at WR there is a chance that other positions will go early and leave the 49ers with a choice of WRs.

This draft is shaping up to be really interesting. i wouldn't have said that 2 months ago when we only had #31 and nothing until the 5th round but things have changed dramatically since we made the Buckner trade and now the virus is changing the way the draft will look. Throw in the fact that we are all starved for live sports and this is going to be much see TV.

This is correct and for parts of last season, we DID lose our #1 and or #2 receiving targets. But a decent OLine and KS scheming turned the running game into a strength. We won even without those receiving targets available.

Originally posted by NCommand:
You could say that about every team...if they lose their #1 or #2 target (like we did with Kittle for a couple games, Sanders too), it's going to effect you. It's rare to have 3 top notch passing options esp. for a non spread offense.

Originally posted by Vancouver49er:

Originally posted by Oilcan:

Yes there will be issues assimilating to the offense this year, I would take that into consideration but to adjust your pick to that I feel would be short sided.
I would not pass up the BPA or the player you would other wise take, that could come back to bite us in the ass in the long run.

Just looking at all the dates leading up to the new season.
April 23-25 - Draft, done online
May 1st to say around Middle of May - Rookies training camp, free agent and UDFA try outs. - This is gone, not going to happen due to Covid
Mid May to Mid June - 10 OTA practices ending with a short minicamp. This is also lost due to covid
Mid June to late July - OFF
Late July - second half of August - Full Training Camp
Late August - Pre- Season games

As far as I can see, under the best case scenario, the 3 week training camp starting late July will be earliest that coaches can get to see their draftees in person, assuming the covid restrictions have been lifted. Then they have the 4 pre season games for the cut downs. And the season starts for real after that. Under the worse case scenario, even Training Camp and Pre-Season is lost. I just don't see how skill players can assimilate in this time.YOu are going to spend a 13 pick on a WR for him to sit out the season?

So just for arguments sake at what point do you feel a WR should be taken considering the current situation ? Or do you feel we shouldn't take one at all this year since you feel they would not be able to contribute ?

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Hero is the the man to ask but my guess would be:

Base:
AA - Jones - Taylor - Bosa

Nickel:
Ford - AA - Givens - Bosa

As of today, this is likely right.

FTFY

Originally posted by NCommand:

Just listening to Eric Davis...not a fan at all of WR at 13 (and he really likes Jeudy and Ruggs). He thinks Deebo has Steve Smith Jr. like ability and mindset. Throw is a 1,200 to 1,300 yard TE in Kittle, he thinks they can easily get that 3rd WR later...H/W/S guy to develop.

Love Davis but that's a homer take calling Deebo Steve Smith jr.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Hero is the the man to ask but my guess would be:

Base:
AA - Jones - Taylor - Bosa

Nickel:
Ford - AA - Givens - Bosa

As of today, this is likely right.

FTFY

That's a possibility too. Taylor has more experience right now but that position is wide open.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Just listening to Eric Davis...not a fan at all of WR at 13 (and he really likes Jeudy and Ruggs). He thinks Deebo has Steve Smith Jr. like ability and mindset. Throw is a 1,200 to 1,300 yard TE in Kittle, he thinks they can easily get that 3rd WR later...H/W/S guy to develop.

Love Davis but that's a homer take calling Deebo Steve Smith jr.

Yeah, he definitely feels he has it all to become that but I think Kyle loves his skill set at Z. Otherwise he would have started him at X from day 1.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Butter:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Armstead is not a great fit for a full-time 3tech in this scheme. He's too damn inconsistent off the ball.

If the Niners do not draft a DT in the early rounds, what is the rotation for base and nickel as of now?

Hero is the the man to ask but my guess would be:

Base:
AA - Jones - Taylor - Bosa

Nickel:
Ford - AA - Thomas - Bosa

I could see something like this:

Blair - AA - Jones - Bosa

Nickel:
Ford - AA - Thomas - Bosa

Why would Armstead play 3tech? The guy had a pro bowl type year at DE.
He will play inside on third downs as this year and that´s it.