Not sold on 49ers picking a WR with 13th Pick

Originally posted by genus49:
I'm sure he meant Richie James.

Yep I meant James.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

After watching our Dline get mugged like crazy, I'm not convinced we need 4 great Dlineman. Not that I don't want that. I just don't see it as a need.

Seriously. Watching the Superbowl literally changed my whole approach. Clearly, the NFL isn't going to let us win with our strength so why bother adding anymore high end draft capital there. Treat the IDT like G's and just get a bunch of bodies, and in this case, rotate a lot. You can still draft an IDL...just way later and let Kocurek get the most out of him like Benton has been doing with no-names with the offensive line.

Switch investments to the OL, CB and WR.

Originally posted by Vancouver49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Value, baby!

It is unclear at this stage whether the #49ers have an immediate need at offensive tackle or if they should merely be preparing for that inevitable time in the future.https://t.co/yehsQPkDs6

— Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoNBCS) April 13, 2020

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Sweet! let's move another guy from a position that made them a top 13 pick and push him to a position they've never played before Oh and let's do it with a top end pick in a yr that most likely has little to no trading camp/rookie camps/OTAs etc....

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Vancouver49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Value, baby!

It is unclear at this stage whether the #49ers have an immediate need at offensive tackle or if they should merely be preparing for that inevitable time in the future.https://t.co/yehsQPkDs6

— Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoNBCS) April 13, 2020

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Sweet! let's move another guy from a position that made them a top 13 pick and push him to a position they've never played before Oh and let's do it with a top end pick in a yr that most likely has little to no trading camp/rookie camps/OTAs etc....

Preach, NY!!!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Vancouver49er:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Value, baby!

It is unclear at this stage whether the #49ers have an immediate need at offensive tackle or if they should merely be preparing for that inevitable time in the future.https://t.co/yehsQPkDs6

— Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoNBCS) April 13, 2020

Word

Sweet! let's move another guy from a position that made them a top 13 pick and push him to a position they've never played before Oh and let's do it with a top end pick in a yr that most likely has little to no trading camp/rookie camps/OTAs etc....

Leave him at LT and cut or trade Staley if he won't play guard. The dead cap hit is only $5.5M. Staley's PFF grade was down to 72.7 last season and he's on the wrong side of 35.

Or trade the pick to the Bucs and Dolphins and hopefully get a good return on that trade because quality LT prospects are worth a lot. Becton is the least likely of the OTs to be there though in my opinion followed by Wirfs. We're more likely to see Wills or Thomas at 13 and both can play guard at a high level in my opinion (especially Wills).

Originally posted by eastcoast49ersfan:
Leave him at LT and cut or trade Staley if he won't play guard. The dead cap hit is only $5.5M. Staley's PFF grade was down to 72.7 last season and he's on the wrong side of 35.

Or trade the pick to the Bucs and Dolphins and hopefully get a good return on that trade because quality LT prospects are worth a lot. Becton is the least likely of the OTs to be there though in my opinion followed by Wirfs. We're more likely to see Wills or Thomas at 13 and both can play guard at a high level in my opinion (especially Wills).

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Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

After watching our Dline get mugged like crazy, I'm not convinced we need 4 great Dlineman. Not that I don't want that. I just don't see it as a need.

I'd argue that our DLine was not only the reason we were in the Superbowl to begin with, but why we all thought we were going to win the game with 7 minutes left after keeping Mahomes in check all game. I am not going to blame the refs for the massive choke job, and I'm not going to rethink the entire foundation that lynch and Shanny have laid in their team building process over that choke job.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

After watching our Dline get mugged like crazy, I'm not convinced we need 4 great Dlineman. Not that I don't want that. I just don't see it as a need.

I'd argue that our DLine was not only the reason we were in the Superbowl to begin with, but why we all thought we were going to win the game with 7 minutes left after keeping Mahomes in check all game. I am not going to blame the refs for the massive choke job, and I'm not going to rethink the entire foundation that lynch and Shanny have laid in their team building process over that choke job.

It's fine if you don't want to blame the refs cuz we certainly had plenty of chances to make or stop big plays to get the win regardless of the refs but turning a blind eye to what happened isn't wise either.

We built our team that the strength was our DL and their ability to get to the QB. When the games are called by the rules we're able to dominate. In the SB the refs basically acting like holding wasn't a thing. That means your biggest asset as a team is essentially handicapped.

So do you keep building your team to be all about the DL or do you see what happened and ensure that you still have a strong unit that can rush the passer but can also take advantage of a game where holding isn't called?

That's why I like Ruggs for us. IMO our DL is still a strength without Buckner. Kinlaw is a very good player but our DL can still rush the passer with Bosa, Ford, Armstead and X.

By making ourselves more well rounded and less top heavy at one unit I think we make us more prepared to win in different ways.

Originally posted by genus49:

It's fine if you don't want to blame the refs cuz we certainly had plenty of chances to make or stop big plays to get the win regardless of the refs but turning a blind eye to what happened isn't wise either.

We built our team that the strength was our DL and their ability to get to the QB. When the games are called by the rules we're able to dominate. In the SB the refs basically acting like holding wasn't a thing. That means your biggest asset as a team is essentially handicapped.

So do you keep building your team to be all about the DL or do you see what happened and ensure that you still have a strong unit that can rush the passer but can also take advantage of a game where holding isn't called?

That's why I like Ruggs for us. IMO our DL is still a strength without Buckner. Kinlaw is a very good player but our DL can still rush the passer with Bosa, Ford, Armstead and X.

By making ourselves more well rounded and less top heavy at one unit I think we make us more prepared to win in different ways.

So did the chiefs only start holding in the 4th quarter? I don't want to veer this thread too far off course, but I'm speaking more to the audience that believes under no circumstances should a DT be the pick. If be totally fine with a number of picks with or without trades.

As we get closer to the draft, I'm starting to think that all three of the top WRs could be there at #13 given how deep this draft is at WR. It's going to be very interesting to see what the Niners do when they're on the clock.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
As we get closer to the draft, I'm starting to think that all three of the top WRs could be there at #13 given how deep this draft is at WR. It's going to be very interesting to see what the Niners do when they're on the clock.

I think 2 of the 3, and one of them will be available at 18 as well.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by genus49:
It's fine if you don't want to blame the refs cuz we certainly had plenty of chances to make or stop big plays to get the win regardless of the refs but turning a blind eye to what happened isn't wise either.

We built our team that the strength was our DL and their ability to get to the QB. When the games are called by the rules we're able to dominate. In the SB the refs basically acting like holding wasn't a thing. That means your biggest asset as a team is essentially handicapped.

So do you keep building your team to be all about the DL or do you see what happened and ensure that you still have a strong unit that can rush the passer but can also take advantage of a game where holding isn't called?

That's why I like Ruggs for us. IMO our DL is still a strength without Buckner. Kinlaw is a very good player but our DL can still rush the passer with Bosa, Ford, Armstead and X.

By making ourselves more well rounded and less top heavy at one unit I think we make us more prepared to win in different ways.

So did the chiefs only start holding in the 4th quarter? I don't want to veer this thread too far off course, but I'm speaking more to the audience that believes under no circumstances should a DT be the pick. If be totally fine with a number of picks with or without trades.

No but when guys have to fight through holds it takes a little extra out of them so by end of the game it takes a bit more of a toll.

But I agree the no DT no matter what crowd is overthinking things a bit. If Kinlaw ends up being a Chris Jones type of player or if our front office thinks that...then bringing in a young rookie who you have under cheap contract for 5 years isn't a terrible idea.

As I've said, I'd prefer we expand the talent on our roster a bit but it's not an awful idea if they were to go that route.

Originally posted by genus49:
It's fine if you don't want to blame the refs cuz we certainly had plenty of chances to make or stop big plays to get the win regardless of the refs but turning a blind eye to what happened isn't wise either.

We built our team that the strength was our DL and their ability to get to the QB. When the games are called by the rules we're able to dominate. In the SB the refs basically acting like holding wasn't a thing. That means your biggest asset as a team is essentially handicapped.

So do you keep building your team to be all about the DL or do you see what happened and ensure that you still have a strong unit that can rush the passer but can also take advantage of a game where holding isn't called?

That's why I like Ruggs for us. IMO our DL is still a strength without Buckner. Kinlaw is a very good player but our DL can still rush the passer with Bosa, Ford, Armstead and X.

By making ourselves more well rounded and less top heavy at one unit I think we make us more prepared to win in different ways.

I agree with all of this. The SB really opened my eyes. And yeah, I do believe that draft strategy needs to be altered depending on the landscape of the rules and officiating.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
I agree with all of this. The SB really opened my eyes. And yeah, I do believe that draft strategy needs to be altered depending on the landscape of the rules and officiating.

Should have also pointed out the fact that we need help at CB.

Originally posted by scooterhd:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
I agree with all of this. The SB really opened my eyes. And yeah, I do believe that draft strategy needs to be altered depending on the landscape of the rules and officiating.

Should have also pointed out the fact that we need help at CB.

We have plenty of room to improve at CB, IOL, and TE2 and WR (in no particular order).