Andrew Thomas-OT-Georgia

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

If he's there at #13, take him. There is so much game film of him and while his strength isn't his agility the way it is for someone like Wirfs, he's so much more coordinated and efficient with his movements that I don't see it being an issue. He's ferocious as a run blocker and is the best overall pass blocker amongst the top tackles, if teams are going to talk themselves out of it because other guys blew up at the Underwear Olympics, I'm all for it.

I tend to feel the same way but I feel like we might be one of those teams to do this and go another route.

Something in my gut is telling me if the right price is given, we will take a big haul for a big trade down for #13. Say we add 2-3 more picks in the first three rounds. Then we'd have chance at any combination of top OT, OG, DT, DE, and/or WR in those first three rounds.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

I tend to feel the same way but I feel like we might be one of those teams to do this and go another route.

Something in my gut is telling me if the right price is given, we will take a big haul for a big trade down for #13. Say we add 2-3 more picks in the first three rounds. Then we'd have chance at any combination of top OT, OG, DT, DE, and/or WR in those first three rounds.

I feel the same way right now. The return for 13 would be better than what they'd get for 31, and they would be able to keep two first rounders this year, or trade down again and maybe gain picks for next year as well.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I tend to feel the same way but I feel like we might be one of those teams to do this and go another route.

Something in my gut is telling me if the right price is given, we will take a big haul for a big trade down for #13. Say we add 2-3 more picks in the first three rounds. Then we'd have chance at any combination of top OT, OG, DT, DE, and/or WR in those first three rounds.

I agree if the guy we truly want is gone at 13 and someone like Thomas is chilling there I wouldn't be shock to see a trade down happen. You know TB is all-in at OT and they pick right after us. Denver might be in the market for a OT as well.

I wouldn't be shocked to see a team like Miami move up from 18. The Jags (if they don't go OT at 9) is another team.

I got no problem taking one of Miami's 2nds or a bunch of the Jags picks in the 3rd/4th rd.

Originally posted by saniner:
I feel the same way right now. The return for 13 would be better than what they'd get for 31, and they would be able to keep two first rounders this year, or trade down again and maybe gain picks for next year as well.

if all three WRs are gone I'm gonna do what I can to move down a couple spots.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by saniner:

I feel the same way right now. The return for 13 would be better than what they'd get for 31, and they would be able to keep two first rounders this year, or trade down again and maybe gain picks for next year as well.

if all three WRs are gone I'm gonna do what I can to move down a couple spots.

So Simms talks to a lot of actual football guys. What if executives really are seeing the WR class more like this? That certainly would lend itself more to a nice trade back for an OT there at 13. And then Kyle could still get his WR later while picking up additional picks.

When did the convo shift to drafting an OT to play guard? We wouldn't draft Thomas (or Wills or Wirfs) to play guard, we'd draft them to play tackle. THEN the question became what does he do until Staley retires and the answer is hopefully play guard. Even if he never pans out at guard and rides the bench for a year, if he beats out Staley year two as expected and is a top tackle in the league for the next ten years, it was a great pick.

The league says the interior is nearly equal to T now. And you can thank Trenton Brown nearly, by himself, for the difference in APY per year. LOL.


Our starting G's:
LG - $5.7M
RG - $675K

LOL

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

When did the convo shift to drafting an OT to play guard? We wouldn't draft Thomas (or Wills or Wirfs) to play guard, we'd draft them to play tackle. THEN the question became what does he do until Staley retires and the answer is hopefully play guard. Even if he never pans out at guard and rides the bench for a year, if he beats out Staley year two as expected and is a top tackle in the league for the next ten years, it was a great pick.

Agreed. You hope. But we're not drafting him at 13 to sit a year. He'd have to be horrendous at G to sit.

Originally posted by NCommand:
The league says the interior is nearly equal to T now. And you can thank Trenton Brown nearly, by himself, for the difference in APY per year. LOL.

Average of the top-10 contract $APY by position for 2020 (good barometer for positional value in draft):

QB: $32.0m
RB: $9.2m
WR: $18.0m
TE: $8.6m
OT: $15.4m
IOL: $12.8m

DT: $17.4m
EDGE: $18.9m
LB: $13.9m
CB: $14.5m
S: $12.6m

K: $4.3m
P: $3.1m
LS: $1.2m

— Mike Renner (@PFF_Mike) April 1, 2020

would ya look at that WR is higher FWIW go check out and see how many 1st rd OGs are the ones making all the cash....

Originally posted by NYniner85:

would ya look at that WR is higher FWIW go check out and see how many 1st rd OGs are the ones making all the cash....

Ahhhh, someone wants the flashy position at #13. I got it.

You could say the same about WR. And I'm not against WR at 13.

Where they are drafted isn't the point. Value of them is and that's the new NFL. Since none of them hit FA, draft is the way to go. If we actually had a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounder, I'd trust Benton to find one with the requisite skill set to develop for a couple years. But we need talent NOW. Both our guards combined only cost half that of a high quality guard now.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
When did the convo shift to drafting an OT to play guard? We wouldn't draft Thomas (or Wills or Wirfs) to play guard, we'd draft them to play tackle. THEN the question became what does he do until Staley retires and the answer is hopefully play guard. Even if he never pans out at guard and rides the bench for a year, if he beats out Staley year two as expected and is a top tackle in the league for the next ten years, it was a great pick.

Barrows talked to Joe and he said he's NOT retiring so that ends that....he said he's gonna play as long as he's healthy enough to and his play doesn't drop. He's got two more yrs on his contract. Dude's not going anywhere IMO.

How are any of these guys "expected" to beat out Joe? He was the 7th overall OT last yr....you're throwing out what ifs there.

So yes at this pt we're talking about taking a OT in the top 13 and turning him into a RG for what more than likely is for the next two yrs. too much projection for me at 13.

Go get a guard to play guard. Find Joe's replacement down the road via FA or the draft. use that 13th overall pick to find a upgrade at a more impactful position and not having to throw guys around to different positions.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Ahhhh, someone wants the flashy position at #13. I got it.

You could say the same about WR. And I'm not against WR at 13.

Where they are drafted isn't the point. Value of them is and that's the new NFL. Since none of them hit FA, draft is the way to go. If we actually had a 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounder, I'd trust Benton to find one with the requisite skill set to develop for a couple years. But we need talent NOW. Both our guards combined only cost half that of a high quality guard now.

It's an impact position with elite prospects at the top. It's a massive need and will help PP and our QB as well. I don't care about flashy, it's also the second highest paid position on offense according to your tweet So we get a good value on a rookie contract.

actually you can't say that for WR....

OG- 3 of the top 10 paid are 1st rd picks
WR- 7 of the top 10 paid are 1st rd picks

How is where they're drafted NOT important? You got guys who are making good money playing guard, I agree with that. MOST of them weren't 1st rd picks. They didn't have to draft them that hight to find quality.

If you trust Benton so much why throw a top 15 pick at a guy that's gonna play OG for two yrs (maybe not well/maybe well there's no film), when you think he can find a good OG in the mid rounds like most teams do

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

When did the convo shift to drafting an OT to play guard? We wouldn't draft Thomas (or Wills or Wirfs) to play guard, we'd draft them to play tackle. THEN the question became what does he do until Staley retires and the answer is hopefully play guard. Even if he never pans out at guard and rides the bench for a year, if he beats out Staley year two as expected and is a top tackle in the league for the next ten years, it was a great pick.

Barrows talked to Joe and he said he's NOT retiring so that ends that....he said he's gonna play as long as he's healthy enough to and his play doesn't drop. He's got two more yrs on his contract. Dude's not going anywhere IMO.

How are any of these guys "expected" to beat out Joe? He was the 7th overall OT last yr....you're throwing out what ifs there.

So yes at this pt we're talking about taking a OT in the top 13 and turning him into a RG for what more than likely is for the next two yrs. too much projection for me at 13.

Go get a guard to play guard. Find Joe's replacement down the road via FA or the draft. use that 13th overall pick to find a upgrade at a more impactful position and not having to throw guys around to different positions.

I completely agree with you. We already got in trouble using a high pick on a player and then trying to switch his position or totally change his play style because there was no other clear path to getting him onto the field quickly.

Young players need continuity and such a move can easily blow up in your face. You can take those risk with later picks like Brunskill, but you notice they aren't messing around with McGlinchey? Seems like they've learned their lesson when it comes to their bigger investments.

Originally posted by Nastastical:

I completely agree with you. We already got in trouble using a high pick on a player and then trying to switch his position or totally change his play style because there was no other clear path to getting him onto the field quickly.

Young players need continuity and such a move can easily blow up in your face. You can take those risk with later picks like Brunskill, but you notice they aren't messing around with McGlinchey? Seems like they've learned their lesson when it comes to their bigger investments.

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

I tend to feel the same way but I feel like we might be one of those teams to do this and go another route.

Something in my gut is telling me if the right price is given, we will take a big haul for a big trade down for #13. Say we add 2-3 more picks in the first three rounds. Then we'd have chance at any combination of top OT, OG, DT, DE, and/or WR in those first three rounds.

Our guts are speaking the same language