Andrew Thomas-OT-Georgia

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

I tend to feel the same way but I feel like we might be one of those teams to do this and go another route.

Something in my gut is telling me if the right price is given, we will take a big haul for a big trade down for #13. Say we add 2-3 more picks in the first three rounds. Then we'd have chance at any combination of top OT, OG, DT, DE, and/or WR in those first three rounds.

Our guts are speaking the same language

I could definitely see it. This is Lynch's time to do his job and he might want more ammunition.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Barrows talked to Joe and he said he's NOT retiring so that ends that....he said he's gonna play as long as he's healthy enough to and his play doesn't drop. He's got two more yrs on his contract. Dude's not going anywhere IMO.

How are any of these guys "expected" to beat out Joe? He was the 7th overall OT last yr....you're throwing out what ifs there.

So yes at this pt we're talking about taking a OT in the top 13 and turning him into a RG for what more than likely is for the next two yrs. too much projection for me at 13.

Go get a guard to play guard. Find Joe's replacement down the road via FA or the draft. use that 13th overall pick to find a upgrade at a more impactful position and not having to throw guys around to different positions.

This whole thread is a what if. Obviously, if the team drafts a tackle, it's because they expect him to beat out Joe by year two. If they think Joe can play at a high level til 38 years old, then they won't draft a tackle. If they take a tackle, it's because he is their BPA and they expect him to take the job sooner rather than later. For the interim, I can guarantee you that Wills or Wirfs would be an upgrade at guard over anyone else we have on the roster or available in FA or the draft. Not sure about Thomas.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

It's an impact position with elite prospects at the top. It's a massive need and will help PP and our QB as well. I don't care about flashy, it's also the second highest paid position on offense according to your tweet So we get a good value on a rookie contract.

actually you can't say that for WR....

OG- 3 of the top 10 paid are 1st rd picks
WR- 7 of the top 10 paid are 1st rd picks

How is where they're drafted NOT important? You got guys who are making good money playing guard, I agree with that. MOST of them weren't 1st rd picks. They didn't have to draft them that hight to find quality.

If you trust Benton so much why throw a top 15 pick at a guy that's gonna play OG for two yrs (maybe not well/maybe well there's no film), when you think he can find a good OG in the mid rounds like most teams do

Which is why GM's keep off loading the best in the business. AB, OBJ, Hopkins and numerous others. When they get up to $18M, are they the difference in wins and losses?

That's even more important of a factor in our offense where we're 2nd in rushing attempts and yards and near last in passing attempts.

A quality one is needed for balance though. Unless it's a true Julio Jones, I just don't know if Jeudy is going to be that much more than a WR you pick at 31 in THIS OFFENSE.

Benton has never had premier talent. He's worked with dog s**t at the G & C positions and he managed to make them serviceable. And we don't have 2-4 picks so there's that.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Which is why GM's keep off loading the best in the business. AB, OBJ, Hopkins and numerous others. When they get up to $18M, are they the difference in wins and losses?

That's even more important of a factor in our offense where we're 2nd in rushing attempts and yards and near last in passing attempts.

A quality one is needed for balance though. Unless it's a true Julio Jones, I just don't know if Jeudy is going to be that much more than a WR you pick at 31 in THIS OFFENSE.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
This whole thread is a what if. Obviously, if the team drafts a tackle, it's because they expect him to beat out Joe by year two. If they think Joe can play at a high level til 38 years old, then they won't draft a tackle. If they take a tackle, it's because he is their BPA and they expect him to take the job sooner rather than later. For the interim, I can guarantee you that Wills or Wirfs would be an upgrade at guard over anyone else we have on the roster or available in FA or the draft. Not sure about Thomas.

It is interesting to look around at various mocks and see where OGs are picked. There are almost none in the top 50. So, if Joe stays another year or two, and you need help at guard, do you pick Thomas at #13 and try to make him a guard?

I agree Wills and Wirfs would be better than Person was, and Tomlinson as well. However, I don't see anyone mocking them as low as #13.

The question for me is; would Thomas be BPA over Jeudy or Ruggs? As much as we need OG help, I'm not sure I like Thomas that much.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Which is why GM's keep off loading the best in the business. AB, OBJ, Hopkins and numerous others. When they get up to $18M, are they the difference in wins and losses?

That's even more important of a factor in our offense where we're 2nd in rushing attempts and yards and near last in passing attempts.

A quality one is needed for balance though. Unless it's a true Julio Jones, I just don't know if Jeudy is going to be that much more than a WR you pick at 31 in THIS OFFENSE.

Benton has never had premier talent. He's worked with dog s**t at the G & C positions and he managed to make them serviceable. And we don't have 2-4 picks so there's that.

Lol you brought up AB, who's bat s**t crazy and has been discussed in rape charges + a bunch of other s**t. OBJ got moved because Gettleman is a asshat and they are in a massive rebuild, you're not paying a WR top money when the team is garbage. And Nuk? Bill O'Brien is also a huge idiot. No one thought that was a smart move, even their QB. Horrible examples.

When you get up to $11M-$12M are there huge wins/losses at the guard position?? How many games did Norwell win for the Jags? How many wins did Scherff win for DC? How many games did Brandon Brooks win for the eagles this yr? How about Q in Indy?

Well...if they're just gonna run the ball all day and not pass the ball, why you so worried about PP??? Might as well load up on run-blockers, oh wait we have a ton of that lol. Also you never answered my question...if they don't care about WR why have they invested a ton of picks in that position and tried to trade for OBJ? They were willing to take on that big contract.

You don't have to compare Jeudy to one the best WRs over the last decade lol. I think a more reasonable comp is a faster Devante Adams.

Also let's stop pretending SF isn't gonna move down with one of those 1st to acquire more picks. It's gonna happen

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

This whole thread is a what if. Obviously, if the team drafts a tackle, it's because they expect him to beat out Joe by year two. If they think Joe can play at a high level til 38 years old, then they won't draft a tackle. If they take a tackle, it's because he is their BPA and they expect him to take the job sooner rather than later. For the interim, I can guarantee you that Wills or Wirfs would be an upgrade at guard over anyone else we have on the roster or available in FA or the draft. Not sure about Thomas.

Not sure I'm all about "big what if's" with a top 13 pick. And if those guys turn out to just be a RG you think that's worth the 13th pick in the draft? I'll take the guy I know is gonna be a WR and play WR for the next 10 yrs.

NC told me we don't use WRs and don't pass the ball so why are we so worried about pass-protectors anyway?

For what it's worth I agree wills and Wirfs could be stud guards. Can they be stud LTs? That's debatable.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Lol you brought up AB, who's bat s**t crazy and has been discussed in rape charges + a bunch of other s**t. OBJ got moved because Gettleman is a asshat and they are in a massive rebuild, you're not paying a WR top money when the team is garbage. And Nuk? Bill O'Brien is also a huge idiot. No one thought that was a smart move, even their QB. Horrible examples.

When you get up to $11M-$12M are there huge wins/losses at the guard position?? How many games did Norwell win for the Jags? How many wins did Scherff win for DC? How many games did Brandon Brooks win for the eagles this yr? How about Q in Indy?

Well...if they're just gonna run the ball all day and not pass the ball, why you so worried about PP??? Might as well load up on run-blockers, oh wait we have a ton of that lol. Also you never answered my question...if they don't care about WR why have they invested a ton of picks in that position and tried to trade for OBJ? They were willing to take on that big contract.

You don't have to compare Jeudy to one the best WRs over the last decade lol. I think a more reasonable comp is a faster Devante Adams.

Also let's stop pretending SF isn't gonna move down with one of those 1st to acquire more picks. It's gonna happen

Lol. When i said we tried to sign Suh you mocked it as a try and it didn't happen.

Now you're saying we tried to trade for OBJ.

There's that convenience again.

Originally posted by krizay:

Lol. When i said we tried to sign Suh you mocked it as a try and it didn't happen.

Now you're saying we tried to trade for OBJ.

There's that convenience again.

You also listed the mid round WRs and conveniently left Deebo off your list.

Just saying.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Lol you brought up AB, who's bat s**t crazy and has been discussed in rape charges + a bunch of other s**t. OBJ got moved because Gettleman is a asshat and they are in a massive rebuild, you're not paying a WR top money when the team is garbage. And Nuk? Bill O'Brien is also a huge idiot. No one thought that was a smart move, even their QB. Horrible examples.

When you get up to $11M-$12M are there huge wins/losses at the guard position?? How many games did Norwell win for the Jags? How many wins did Scherff win for DC? How many games did Brandon Brooks win for the eagles this yr? How about Q in Indy?

Well...if they're just gonna run the ball all day and not pass the ball, why you so worried about PP??? Might as well load up on run-blockers, oh wait we have a ton of that lol. Also you never answered my question...if they don't care about WR why have they invested a ton of picks in that position and tried to trade for OBJ? They were willing to take on that big contract.

You don't have to compare Jeudy to one the best WRs over the last decade lol. I think a more reasonable comp is a faster Devante Adams.

Also let's stop pretending SF isn't gonna move down with one of those 1st to acquire more picks. It's gonna happen

Why? Because at some point, you do need to pass. And they stink. If they were even adequate at it, this is a non issue but there's a reason literally everyone sees OL and WR as top needs. Not only massive holes to fill but needed to compete full unit.

They invested in WR for 17 straight years but they still needed Z, X and Y to rebuild. And they kept failing to the point they needed to buy one with draft capital. I don't mean to minimize WR as a need. It really is. But based on how we ran our way to a Superbowl, it's slightly less of a need to me and one I feel very comfortable in getting later.

I'm all for that trade down. But knowing ShanaLynch, they might use both their firsts to move up for an over drafted Jeudy.

And you never answered the Phil Simms take. He doesn't have Jeudy in his top 5...does not value in the top 20.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Why? Because at some point, you do need to pass. And they stink. If they were even adequate at it, this is a non issue but there's a reason literally everyone sees OL and WR as top needs. Not only massive holes to fill but needed to compete full unit.

They invested in WR for 17 straight years but they still needed Z, X and Y to rebuild. And they kept failing to the point they needed to buy one with draft capital. I don't mean to minimize WR as a need. It really is. But based on how we ran our way to a Superbowl, it's slightly less of a need to me and one I feel very comfortable in getting later.

I'm all for that trade down. But knowing ShanaLynch, they might use both their firsts to move up for an over drafted Jeudy.

And you never answered the Phil Simms take. He doesn't have Jeudy in his top 5...does not value in the top 20.

See this is not really true. While they may have been one of the lowest in terms of passing attempts, their passing game was ranked 13/10 for yards/TDs and was pretty damn efficient

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

See this is not really true. While they may have been one of the lowest in terms of passing attempts, their passing game was ranked 13/10 for yards/TDs and was pretty damn efficient

Like east already posted...it's a simple volume issue. The PP rate was the same as it's always been, just at a much lower volume. The quality of those snaps in pass protection was as bad as its always been.

Kyle and Jimmy still certainly made the most of it.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
See this is not really true. While they may have been one of the lowest in terms of passing attempts, their passing game was ranked 13/10 for yards/TDs and was pretty damn efficient

Like east already posted...it's a simple volume issue. The PP rate was the same as it's always been, just at a much lower volume. The quality of those snaps in pass protection was as bad as its always been.

Kyle and Jimmy still certainly made the most of it.

It was only a 50 attempt differential from last year and the QB hits and sacks were substantially lower....like top 10. . PP rate wasn't the same, it was much better, and that's the point. But I digress

Originally posted by krizay:

Lol. When i said we tried to sign Suh you mocked it as a try and it didn't happen.

Now you're saying we tried to trade for OBJ.

There's that convenience again.

What? Where did I mock it? I'm sure they low balled him end of the day.

There was reports that SF ACTUALLY gave up more for OBJ vs the browns.


Good try again though

Originally posted by krizay:

You also listed the mid round WRs and conveniently left Deebo off your list.

Just saying.

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