Originally posted by NYniner85:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Why? Because at some point, you do need to pass. And they stink. If they were even adequate at it, this is a non issue but there's a reason literally everyone sees OL and WR as top needs. Not only massive holes to fill but needed to compete full unit.
They invested in WR for 17 straight years but they still needed Z, X and Y to rebuild. And they kept failing to the point they needed to buy one with draft capital. I don't mean to minimize WR as a need. It really is. But based on how we ran our way to a Superbowl, it's slightly less of a need to me and one I feel very comfortable in getting later.
I'm all for that trade down. But knowing ShanaLynch, they might use both their firsts to move up for an over drafted Jeudy.
And you never answered the Phil Simms take. He doesn't have Jeudy in his top 5...does not value in the top 20.
Do you not see how you're being a hypocrite here? Complaining about PP then saying we never throw the ball and don't need a WR? You're talking about running our way to the SB and yet all you care about is PP?
Again if you're looking to upgrade RG, draft a freaking RG. Don't spend it on a top 13 pick and move someone around...you've complained about doing this very thing BUT you're cool with it now lol? Come on dude.
I'll bet you money if SF drafted a lineman 17 yrs in a row and STILL needed one you wouldn't be complaining one bit about taking another one lol.
You mean chris Simms. If you listened to him on the reg you'd realize he has a certain type of player he values. Also I'm not locked into just Jeudy I like all three of the top WRs.
And how would having an X open up the passing game if pressure continues to come right up the A-C gaps? Unless he can consistently get open under 2.5 seconds as a rookie?
The bottom line is having a WR who can consistently get open helps the OL. But consistent pass protection allows Kyle to fully open up his playbook, use Kittle, Juice and his RB's as receivers and that extra .5 seconds will allow a slightly less dynamic receiver to get open in the NFL esp. with Kyle scheming him open. 3+ seconds and Garoppolo will have 0 issues.
Even if Simms has a type, it seems to match his personnel contacts which means there are roughly 8-10 top 20 WR's across the board and it doesn't end there.
Meanwhile, there's only 4 top T/G's.
T/G then WR.
You're confusing weird position changes (like taking an IDT and trying to make him an ER) with normal position changes. OL at every level can be moved around, are cross trained and then cross trained some more at the NFL level and are moved around every off season.
If a top 10 talent T can't play G in our scheme, esp. our scheme, he's not a top 10 talent. You've admitted he is, so why the fear of starting him at G? That's a damn luxury not to have to throw him in at LT as a rookie and you know he'll perform at a high level in between Staley and Richburg or McGlinchey and Richburg.
The point about WR for 17 years is that this organization, until Deebo, has been terrible at identifying talent at WR. I don't trust them at 13. I trust them far more at identifying OL talent (McGlinchey) at that spot. I also don't trust them at IDT there either. And CB, we have no basis to form an idea.
OL then WR is the smart move.
[ Edited by NCommand on Apr 2, 2020 at 6:02 AM ]
) and ask yourself which is the best choice. 