Andrew Thomas-OT-Georgia

Originally posted by Heroism:

Are any of the top 3 truly elite WR prospects? I don't think they'd be around at 13 if that was the case. The only one with elite athletic traits is Ruggs. The other two have average physical traits. All 3 are great prospects who may become elite wide receivers in the NFL, but I don't know if I would label them as elite prospects.

Megatron was an elite prospect; Julio Jones was an elite prospect. People throw around elite and generational way too loosely around here.

In this draft class, which by all accounts, is pretty historic the big 3 standout. I meant elite relative to this draft class not all-time. Maybe I shouldn't have used elite. I also think if you keep trading down from 13, then you miss out on immediate impact player this team needs. Options at 13, not there at 18 or later: Jeudy, Ruggs, Lamb, the top 5 OL, Henderson, and Kinlaw.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by Oilcan:

I'm ok with taking a tackle at #13 if one of the top ones fall to us. It would not be my ideal scenario though.
My biggest fear is they are going to panic and over draft one and pass on better talent like they did with mike Mcglinchey.

McGlinchey was a panic pick?

And who did they pass on that was, for us, better talent?

I mentioned 3 in my above post.
We created the need for a tackle with the trade.
I don't think anyone with a straight face can say we took the BPA available @9 in that draft.
In my opinion if you have a top 10 pick you take the best player available or you trade out if possible, not just the player that fits your team.
Not to mention anyone of those 3 especially the safety's would have been a huge upgrade.

Originally posted by Oilcan:

I don't think anyone with a straight face can say we took the BPA available @9 in that draft.

That's because the 49ers don't adhere to BPA.

They draft their guy. I repeat, they draft their guy. They don't give a s**t about perceived value by draftniks or whether posters on the webzone approve of their draft picks. McGlinchey was their guy, and they got him. If you're expecting anything different this year, you're going to be disappointed.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Oilcan:

I don't think anyone with a straight face can say we took the BPA available @9 in that draft.

That's because the 49ers don't adhere to BPA.

They draft their guy. I repeat, they draft their guy. They don't give a s**t about perceived value by draftniks or whether posters on the webzone approve of their draft picks. McGlinchey was their guy, and they got him. If you're expecting anything different this year, you're going to be disappointed.

I fully understand that's why we drafted a f"ing punter in the 4th round.
I do not agree with there approach, they've done a decent job but they could do a lot better in my opinion.
In the same draft I believe the Vikings,Redskins and Baltimore all drafted there starting tackles AFTER Dante Pettis was drafted.

Originally posted by Oilcan:
I fully understand that's why we drafted a f"ing punter in the 4th round.
I do not agree with there approach, they've done a decent job but they could do a lot better in my opinion.
In the same draft I believe the Vikings,Redskins and Baltimore all drafted there starting tackles AFTER Dante Pettis was drafted.

Yup.

In 2018, the 49ers gave up more to move to 44 for Dante Pettis than the Titans did to move up to 41 for Harold Landry. But Pettis was their guy. Right or wrong, that's how they draft. I'm not the biggest fan of their approach, but it is what it is.

Originally posted by Heroism:

That's extremely unlikely at 13. There's always someone wanting to move up, especially in the teens for a QB. The Niners control their asking price. If they don't love someone there, they'll simply lower their asking price. And if nobody truly wanted to trade up even at a lower price, that would mean the league feels the talent in the draft is ass, and they made a huge f**king mistake trading Buckner away for that pick.

The Niners aren't dumb. They believe someone they love will be there at 13, or they'll flip that pick and reload their draft ammunition.

We will see...I honestly don't have a pulse on what they're gonna do this yr. draft is in 18 days.

Originally posted by Rathof44:
In this draft class, which by all accounts, is pretty historic the big 3 standout. I meant elite relative to this draft class not all-time. Maybe I shouldn't have used elite. I also think if you keep trading down from 13, then you miss out on immediate impact player this team needs. Options at 13, not there at 18 or later: Jeudy, Ruggs, Lamb, the top 5 OL, Henderson, and Kinlaw.

I noticed at this years combine, the word was that all the teams were looking for their Deebo Samuel. His impact was noticed around the league so being the copycats that they are, everyone wants a player like that. A 2nd round pick that became the league trend setter. You can find talent in every round but there's always a lot of luck that goes with it. Players have to stay healthy. Be able to adapt to the NFL speed. Stay out of trouble after they get some money.

Nothing can make a front office look so bad as a player gone wrong.

Originally posted by Oilcan:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Stanley:

Originally posted by Oilcan:

I'm ok with taking a tackle at #13 if one of the top ones fall to us. It would not be my ideal scenario though.
My biggest fear is they are going to panic and over draft one and pass on better talent like they did with mike Mcglinchey.

McGlinchey was a panic pick?

And who did they pass on that was, for us, better talent?

I mentioned 3 in my above post.
We created the need for a tackle with the trade.
I don't think anyone with a straight face can say we took the BPA available @9 in that draft.
In my opinion if you have a top 10 pick you take the best player available or you trade out if possible, not just the player that fits your team.
Not to mention anyone of those 3 especially the safety's would have been a huge upgrade.

I believe that trade of Trent Brown was CONDITIONAL on if we got McGlinchey as he was who we were targeting. If no McGlinchey no trade with the Pats.

So no, we did not HAVE to draft McGlinchey I 9. Shanalych wanted to.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:

That's extremely unlikely at 13. There's always someone wanting to move up, especially in the teens for a QB. The Niners control their asking price. If they don't love someone there, they'll simply lower their asking price. And if nobody truly wanted to trade up even at a lower price, that would mean the league feels the talent in the draft is ass, and they made a huge f**king mistake trading Buckner away for that pick.

The Niners aren't dumb. They believe someone they love will be there at 13, or they'll flip that pick and reload their draft ammunition.

We will see...I honestly don't have a pulse on what they're gonna do this yr. draft is in 18 days.

Yeah, usually I'm pretty good at their profiles and the pre draft visit trackler helps narrow the scope but I just don't have a read on that 1 or 2 guys they'd jump at at 13 this time around. It honestly might be CB.

Originally posted by Ezekiel38:

I believe that trade of Trent Brown was CONDITIONAL on if we got McGlinchey as he was who we were targeting. If no McGlinchey no trade with the Pats.

So no, we did not HAVE to draft McGlinchey I 9. Shanalych wanted to.

Eggggsactly

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Originally posted by Heroism:
That's extremely unlikely at 13. There's always someone wanting to move up, especially in the teens for a QB. The Niners control their asking price. If they don't love someone there, they'll simply lower their asking price. And if nobody truly wanted to trade up even at a lower price, that would mean the league feels the talent in the draft is ass, and they made a huge f**king mistake trading Buckner away for that pick.

The Niners aren't dumb. They believe someone they love will be there at 13, or they'll flip that pick and reload their draft ammunition.

Well they gave up an elite player for #13, they need to get an elite player back. Go too far back and miss out on the 3 elite WRs, 2 elite CBs, and 3 best OL. More picks are great if in more of a rebuild mode, 49ers need plug and play guys. Windows close fast...look at the Rams.

Who are the 2 elite CBs that they miss out on? There is one in this draft and he will be long gone. My guess is there will be one OT remaining and 1 or 2 Wrs that are top prospects that they would miss out on if they moved down a few spots.

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Rathof44:

Well they gave up an elite player for #13, they need to get an elite player back. Go too far back and miss out on the 3 elite WRs, 2 elite CBs, and 3 best OL. More picks are great if in more of a rebuild mode, 49ers need plug and play guys. Windows close fast...look at the Rams.

Are any of the top 3 truly elite WR prospects? I don't think they'd be around at 13 if that was the case. The only one with elite athletic traits is Ruggs. The other two have average physical traits. All 3 are great prospects who may become elite wide receivers in the NFL, but I don't know if I would label them as elite prospects.

Megatron was an elite prospect; Julio Jones was an elite prospect. People throw around elite and generational way too loosely around here.

I get what you mean, but just cause he's not Megatron or Julio doesn't mean Ruggs (my favorite of the WRs) wouldn't be a great pick . If he hits his ceiling you don't think he was worth it? I guess even for me now it would be contingent on picking a good OL at some point in the draft and Staley giving us one more year. That Maiocco report definitely put more doubt in my mind about that

I am really coming around on drafting a guy like Thomas if he is there and then taking a WR with their 2nd pick in the draft. The Niners should look at the big picture and that is the reality that there will be a glaring need at LT in 2 years (if not the upcoming season). If the OTs are gone then taking a potential stud at WR would be just fine too.

despite my draft crush on Ruggs though, I wouldn't be mad at all about landing a guy like this at 13. It's possibly the oldest football maxim: the game is won in the trenches. Kyle landed Deebo in the second round last year and I feel pretty confident he'd pick a good WR at 31 or later if we moved back

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Heroism:

That's extremely unlikely at 13. There's always someone wanting to move up, especially in the teens for a QB. The Niners control their asking price. If they don't love someone there, they'll simply lower their asking price. And if nobody truly wanted to trade up even at a lower price, that would mean the league feels the talent in the draft is ass, and they made a huge f**king mistake trading Buckner away for that pick.

The Niners aren't dumb. They believe someone they love will be there at 13, or they'll flip that pick and reload their draft ammunition.

We will see...I honestly don't have a pulse on what they're gonna do this yr. draft is in 18 days.

Yeah, usually I'm pretty good at their profiles and the pre draft visit trackler helps narrow the scope but I just don't have a read on that 1 or 2 guys they'd jump at at 13 this time around. It honestly might be CB.

🤞if a top tackle is not there I would like WR then CB or CB then WR preferably the later considering the WR depth.